DAVID ICKE ADMITS OFCOM REGULATION
You may criticise me. You may despise me in your belief that I have, somehow, attempted to cause “The People’s Voice” problems due to my having to leave the organisation. You may believe whatever you wish, it is entirely your choice.
However, I had reason to seriously question this man Icke and his proclamations about various things. I found that they did not stand up to scrutiny and I truly believed it was important that YOU were made aware of them because the organisation is promoting itself as absolute truth.
One of those major points that David Icke made was that TPV DID NOT NEED an OFCOM licence. This is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO YOU because his suggestion that this was the case was for the purpose of having you believe that TPV could not be controlled by anyone or anything EXCEPT the law of libel. This then giving you the impression that they were free to talk about anything without the fear of being taken off air. THAT WAS NOT TRUE!
Now, considering he has – via TPV live in the last few minutes – advised you that OFCOM had contacted them within the last two weeks (therefore, after my contacting them simply to ask the question whether such a licence was required and finding out TPV, the company, is broadcasting under the protection of the Communications Act 2003) and told them they required a licence, do you think for one minute that this one single guy (i.e. me) would know the position better than the entire People’s Voice organisation? Do you TRULY believe that?
David Icke has just suggested that OFCOM have just advised him of something he did not know WHILE HE HAD REGISTERED HIS COMPANY UNDER THE COMMUNICATIONS ACT 2003 – Do you TRULY believe that he did not know and do you TRULY believe that he had not planned to apply for such a licence?
TPV have now had to put back their launch. If my contact with OFCOM caused that then so be it. I make no apologies for it. However, I must state clearly that I DO NOT agree with the fact that The People’s Voice should be regulated by such and it is another example of how the establishment has things tied up. Now, if you’re smart, you can then use this information to lobby the government to drop this requirement – thereby supporting TPV. Why would I suggest you do that and that you could have a significant impact if you did, if I was wishing for the suppression of speech?
I will state again, I am on YOUR side, by being on your side, I am willing to look at anyone and criticise anyone who I see as lying to you or abusing your trust. I don’t care who it is.
As I stated in my blog “David Icke: The turd in the punchbowl”…..
Whatever the following outcome of this communication is with OFCOM, if Icke is correct in what he believes, then OFCOM are wrong or have been misleading. IF, however, OFCOM are correct then Mr Icke has been misleading. Further, I had a telecon with OFCOM and they expressed the need for ALL TV/internet to be regulated by ATVOD (and TPV are producing Video on Demand as well as live shows. As I understand it from what I was told, even while the BBC and ITV provide live shows on their respective internet channels, they are regulated by ATVOD. Hmmm. it’s somewhat of a conundrum isn’t it? According to OFCOM, he needs a licence so I guess he will have applied and been granted one? If not, David might just be in a spot of bother. Otherwise, he has applied and received one and he’s in a spot of bother with you because he has told you and all of us that he is free to say and do what he pleases because he is “regulation free” of OFCOM. And he didn’t mention ATVOD at all now did he?
From: Mark
Sent: 08 October 2013 14:55
To: TV Licensing
Subject: Content licensing
Dear sirs,
I am trying to understand the following from your information on the Ofcom website. Can you please tell me if it is necessary to apply for a content license, or any license, from Ofcom if one intends to set up an internet based broadcasting service from the UK with live news channels and others on a 24/7 live broadcast basis?
In other words, does Ofcom regulate such broadcasting in any shape or form?
Thank you,
Mark
From: TV.Licensing@ofcom.org.uk
To: mark
Subject: RE: Content licensing
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:29:12 +0000
Yes.
Services which are broadcast from the UK via the internet are licensable. This is set out in the notes of guidance for applicants and reflects the requirement of the Audio Visual Media Services Directive.
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tvlicensing/guidance_notes_and_apps/
https://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/david-icke-the-turd-in-the-punchbowl/
I simply told you the truth because I am sick of you being lied to from EVERY side! But hey, shoot the messenger.
The question now is this: Now that TPV IS regulated and they have to apply for a licence, think about it. IF the establishment give him a licence then the establishment is giving him a licence to “kill” them. There is no getting away from that and you know how STUPID that scenario is.
If they allow it then there is a reason for them allowing it. That ONLY reason is that they see no threat. HOW could that possibly be?
ALL I WANT FOR YOU IS FOR YOU TO USE YOUR INTELLIGENCE!
The mainstream is what it is because it is regulated by the establishment. As you are now aware, The People’s Voice are regulated by that same establishment. So there you are. End of story!
David Icke: SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BUDDHA!
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS CAN VERY EASILY BE DONE.
THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL STOPPING THIS HAPPENING.
BE AWAKE, BE VERY AWAKE!
Could Icke have sold out to the dark side? Could the very “reptilians” who possess the personalities he speak of possess him? Is that so hard to believe? Well let’s see….
David Icke: Sold to the highest Buddha!
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE LEGAL SYSTEM WORKS AS APPLIED TO COMPANIES: THEY ARE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT LEGAL PERSONS!
DAVID ICKE ALREADY HAS A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE AND, THROUGH “THE PEOPLE’S VOICE” HE INTENDS TO CAPTURE TENS TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MORE. PERHAPS MILLIONS. NOW IMAGINE WHAT A LIZARD COULD BE WHISPERING SOFTLY IN HIS EAR REGARDING HIM HAVING A BROADCAST NETWORK ALL TO HIMSELF AND PAID (HE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE) ENTIRELY BY YOUR DONATIONS. A BROADCAST NETWORK WHICH IS ENTIRELY SEPARATE FROM “DAVID ICKE BOOKS LTD” WHILE THE LEGAL SYSTEM, AS IT CURRENTLY FUNCTIONS, SEES “DAVID ICKE BOOKS LTD” AS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE “LEGAL PERSON” FROM “THE PEOPLE’S VOICE”.
Let’s start this little journey into David Icke’s “Twilight Zone” by first taking a close look at the BBC and how they do things. You will see why… promise! 🙂
Have you ever heard of “BBC Enterprises”? It started life as such but is now known as “BBC Worldwide”.
BBC Enterprises was set up as a “mechandising arm” of the BBC. Essentially, it would take BBC content and product (for product think Tellitubbies for example, licensed to any and all sorts of manufacturers to produce Teletubbies merchandise) and sell it. Nothing wrong with that on the face of it right? But just give it a little more thought as to what is going on here. Let’s say there are 20 million homes in the UK all paying a TV licence (which goes to the BBC because the BBC “DOES NOT ADVERTISE”). 20 million homes x £145 = £2.9Billion. We (if you pay a licence) are funding the BBC Corporation per year to the sum of approximately £2.9Billion. The BBC then provides (poor and propagandised) content to us while the quality of shows and drama etc has just dropped dramatically over the years and more and more repeats (funded decades ago in some cases) are provided. If it was not for our funding of it, the BBC would not exist but, more to the point, BBC Enterprises (BBC Worldwide) would not exist. The latter sells content and product worldwide, and to us ourselves, which has been funded by us. It is like its own virtuous circle: It promotes content to us by way of the BBC broadcasting shows, characters etc (which we fund) and then BBC Worldwide sells us those same shows and characters and generates over £1billion in revenues and a healthy profit which is paid back to the BBC Broadcasting company. No, the BBC does not advertise!! It advertises every single day its own content and product (again funded by us) and has its merchandising arm sell us the content we have funded.
As an example:
There are 34 pages of 500 titles each page which the BBC sells to us and which they never would have been able to create without our money funding them. Essentially, we are buying our own creations. Strangely, this is exactly how the entire world works when you step back (as Icke would say but he won’t like it being done in this instance) and view it again. It is so clear. As an aside, let me give you another couple of examples of how we buy our own funded creations. Recognising all of this may shock you if you haven’t thought of it before.
1. Energy
We build national grids and offshore rigs (oil, gas, wind farms etc) and we work extracting the resources to provide ourselves with our energy requirements. We are paid, of course, to do so but we are also taxed. Meanwhile, the entire energy grid and the natural resources are owned by people who have never picked up a spade in their lives. It is suggested by these same people that it is all in public ownership and that we benefit from the income generated which is, in part, given to the treasury. But what does the treasury do with that money? It pays toward the national debt (interest on money borrowed by the nation where, globally, the only way of paying the interest is by borrowing more money from the same source which increases the debt further but is indebting the future generations). The real owners of all the resources and energy is, in the case of the UK, the Crown. I have blogged about this many times now. The Crown then licenses corporations to extract the resources (and we work for the corporations – we ARE the corporations) and the corporations (legal person entities) make a profit. This profit then being distributed among shareholders – the major shareholders being? You guessed it – the Crown and those individuals within it who have never done a real day’s work in their lives. These people then sell our resources to us which we have extracted for them and keep increasing prices on us while our salaries do not ever keep in line with the increases. We effectively build and generate our own energy and then pay for it. It is incredible what we will do and never question. We just seem unable to figure out the most simplest of cons.
2. Mortgages and housing
We build homes for ourselves. Yes we do. Builders, craftsmen, electricians, plumbers and all the other skills which go into building a home. We then take a mortgage from a bank (such a loan being unnecessary because it is we who create the money for the banks in the first place but that’s been covered numerous times now) by way of signing a promissory obligation which creates the money for the bank who then lend us our own money/value which we have to pay back (again with interest which, globally, is non existent. To pay it back we then have to “win” the race or the game of finding money from someone else). But, nevertheless, it is us, generally speaking, who build our homes. Let’s forget that the land we build upon is, once again, owned by land owners – a major landowner being the Crown – so we never truly own our homes, we simply rent them. If we owned our property we would have every right to do as we wished with it without planning approval. So we buy (and pay interest on) the very homes we build but we go a step further than that. The banks (and it is us once more that keep these legal persons called banks operating while they use our own money to indebt us with) then take the value of our properties (the promissory note we have signed to bring the money into existence for them) and sell them on. Who do they sell the values of our properties to? To you and I. How? They sell them to pension funds and the general market. Who do these pension funds etc invest for? For us! So we are buying our own properties once more. The banks then crash the property market making our properties worth far less and the derivatives sold on in the market worthless so our pensions are worthless. But what have they done in the meantime? Well, it is they who create the market conditions and it is they who then, with that insider knowledge, invest in shorting the property and derivative markets so that, as it falls, they have bet ON it falling and the money goes directly to them. How stupid is the human race?
And yet, David Icke proclaims “Human Race get off your knees” while he, as I am about to demonstrate to you, uses the exact same methods to create wealth for himself and his trusted little team.
Back to the BBC…..
Have a look at this:
So, as I said, a revenue of over £1billion and profit of £156M returned to the BBC. ALL of it generated from coercion of you having to pay for a licence which funds the corporation and allows its shareholders to generate massive income for themselves and the various BBC employees who you look to as “celebrities” and people worthy of your praise and hero worship.
A “public service mission” which then pays profits to shareholders. It commercialises but it doesn’t “advertise”! haha What an incredible doublespeak that is.
“BBC Advertising sells advertising…….”
“Be commercially efficient” – Indeed.
And oh look: “… highest standard of ethics…” etc. It’s amazing what you can state on paper or promote to your audience while keeping a straight face. It’s called “Sales” in essence and, personally, I’ve been in this arena for decades. I like to think, however, I DID have ethics in my approach – at least as far as I could afford to have them. But I know that, at the top, ethics DO NOT exist. They are merely words. I expected (naively) that “The People’s Voice” and David Icke would be different. I can assure you there is zero difference and you only have to have that “open mind” David speaks of and look at how he is doing what he is doing to recognise how you are getting screwed in precisely the same manner. Promoting yourself as ethical is such a crowd pleaser isn’t it? Getting the crowd to “buy in” to the promotion of a person or concept is especially easy when you are promoting what you know the market wants (and that’s ALL you are to David Icke – a market to tap into). Look how Tony Blair was promoted in 1997 and the landslide victory he had. People will buy anything if it’s promoted just right. In a war you are taught to know your adversary. In sales, you are taught to know your target market. You know how to press their buttons and you’ve got them just where you want them.
Ok, on to David Icke in earnest.
What we have here is “David Icke Books Ltd”. (now one could theorise about the figures you see here but there’s no real point in doing that. You’d have to have access to his accounts to understand fully what is going on there so I’d rather not theorise on it).
This how David Icke makes his money. By selling his books (and his talks etc).
Then along comes another, entirely separate legal entity called “The People’s Voice”. BOTH companies, however, run by David Icke. He is a Director in both. Gareth, his son, is also a Director of “David Icke books Ltd” while Sean Tabatabai is a Director of “The People’s Voice”.
David likes to sell books doesn’t he?
Have you ever heard of “Transfer Pricing”? Well, once upon a time, I worked for a well known multinational telecommunications company who were at the top of their game, during which, I was involved in Business Management globally. Transfer pricing is all about the creation of profit by one division or subsidiary of the multinational company selling its product to another division or subsidiary of the same company. Transfer pricing can then be manipulated in whichever way is preferred by the divisions and the overall corporation to ensure that, on transfer from one division in one country (say the UK) to another division in another country (say the USA), the most “appropriate” pricing can ensure minimal tax being paid by the organisation as a whole.
Have a look at this:
Now, don’t go off on a tangent here and say I’m suggesting David Icke is money laundering or terrorist financing. No, no ,no. What I am saying is that “Transfer pricing” is a perfectly LEGAL and accepted way of doing business and YET, it is through such practice that such things can be, and are, achieved. Now, I’m not even suggesting transfer pricing by David Icke because transfer pricing is used between subsidiaries of the same company. “David Icke Books Ltd” and TPV are not subsidiaries of the same company. So what AM I getting at then?
“Hey, I have an awesome idea!”
“What’s that?”
“Well, I write books and I publish them. I was thinking how I could create an ever larger captive market for them and even have my own broadcasting station to promote my work. A broadcasting station which has global reach, will appeal to an even broader audience because it will broadcast everything from news and current affairs to music and art etc.”
“Yes but where will you source all the content and at what cost?”
“From the people themselves who will not only be desperate to have their voices and their art and music broadcast but who will provide their content for free.”
“Great idea but what about the investment that is needed to create this broadcasting network and keep it on air? It’s a shitload of money that’s needed for that Dave! Are you going to invest that £25K cash you have in “David Icke Books Ltd” and/or liquidise the assets of over £200K you have to fund it?”
“No no no. It will ALSO be funded by the people. I’ll do a donation drive through Indiegogo. I’m not going to spend my own money! This is not “David Icke’s Voice”, I’ll promote it as “The people’s Voice” – THEY can fund it! Although I won’t mention the obviously needed further funding coming from somewhere otherwise people will start asking questions. I mean most of the idiots out there haven’t a scooby regarding the real cost of funding a project like this and they won’t care. They’ll believe every word I say. I give them truth remember and I point fingers at corruption so how could they possibly consider me to be sucking them dry?”
“Oh man, you’re a genius! They pay for it, they provide the content free and they end up buying the content that you produce. Your very own multi-media empire spitting out your propaganda. But where does “David Icke books Ltd” come into the equation?”
“Oh come on man! It’s simple. Get with the programme! “The People’s Voice” is going to have me introducing movies, giving talks, promoting myself and the station as a whole right? So then I will also be promoting my books won’t I? Just exactly the same proven format adopted by BBC Enterprises or BBC Worldwide. Of course, I’m not getting paid by TPV – it’s for the “love of humanity” you understand. It just so happens that I have all of these books – a whole back catalogue of them too – which would then be promoted and sold through TPV as a “public service”. After all, TPV is all about truth so, to have an expense attributed to TPV for buying my “truth books” is entirely rational isn’t it? And justifiable.”
“Hey but that doesn’t make sense David! How can you profit from yourself buying from yourself?”
“Man, what is it you don’t understand about what I have just said. I’M not investing in TPV. It’s not MY money. So when TPV decides to buy “David Icke books Ltd” product for stock and then sell it to the public (who have funded TPV), it’s THEIR money, not mine, which is buying the books. TPV is an entirely separate legal entity from “David Icke Books Ltd” and so they buy, perhaps 1000 at a time? That generates profit for “David icke Books Ltd” and a rather substantial income for me. Whatever TPV then sell of those book numbers are bought by the very audience which has already bought them FOR TPV through their funding of TPV!”
“Oh Jesus Christ David, you truly are the messiah! Only he could come up with a scheme like that! It’s brilliant!”
This is how it works. VERY simple and VERY legal. Moral? That’s for you to decide….
“IMAGINE FINDING A PLACE TO ADVERTISE WHERE THE BROADCASTER ENDORSES YOUR BUSINESS. HAS AN AUDIENCE THAT IS LOOKING FOR EXACTLY THE KIND OF PRODUCTS YOU PROVIDE AND RUNS PROGRAMMING THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE BENEFITS OF THOSE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES.”
Stated out in the open, right under your nose! Furthermore, the legal person and company named “David Icke Books Ltd” does not, unlike all other potential advertisers and sponsors, have to pay a solitary cent for its advertising on TPV. IT IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! David, I seriously do tip my hat to you!
So let’s analyse just exactly how this works:
David Icke sets up a company/broadcasting network which will advertise and promote everything David Icke related. This company, called TPV, does not receive a cent’s worth of his own money but he generates that money through donations from the public. He creates for himself FREE MONEY (JUST EXACTLY like the banks). He doesn’t even pay a cent of interest on it. There is absolutely no risk for him whatsoever. Not a penny. This new company, “TPV” will then buy assets with that money (for example, a cost to the business can be anything from buying the equipment to buying PROPERTY (YES PROPERTY). The property purchases can “justifiably” be stated as required to house certain members of the team who have travelled from different parts of the UK and world to relocate. Those members then, perhaps, pay rent of one form or another, to TPV the company which then pays off mortgages TPV may have taken out. This is all totally and utterly legal.
TPV then pays salaries to the core team of TPV while David Icke works “for free”. All of the investments TPV makes, with YOUR money, then become valuable assets to TPV and, at any point in the future – near or far future – those assets can and will be sold. Property is a very valuable asset and while you will have funded TPV’s purchase of such, when it comes to selling the asset and liquidising it into cash, who gets it? Even if that is 20 or 30 years in the future.
Meanwhile, there is an entirely separate company to TPV called “David Icke Books Ltd”. The latter is solely interested in selling David Icke’s books (would you believe?). TPV then turn to “David Icke books Ltd” and say “Hello David, we would be interested in stocking your books and selling them worldwide.” David turns to TPV (perhaps he speaks to one of it’s Directors and does a deal – he could, for instance, speak with….David Icke) and says “Sure. Sounds good. What about taking 1000 books per month as a stock and selling them on? At a retail price of about £25 each that would be an income to David Icke books Ltd of £25,000 per month or £300,000 a year. I might even give you a discount David but really, in this case, it’s unnecessary. TPV is a not for profit concern so if you buy at £25 and sell at £25 then there’s no profit right? No problem!” And David Icke, on behalf of TPV says “Sure, sounds good to me but what happens if we don’t sell that number per month?”. “No problem…” says David Icke of “David Icke Books Ltd”, “..you can just burn the excess for all I care. Take it as a loss and I still get paid.” “Ah indeed you do David. I wish I was as smart as you!” says David Icke of TPV. “You are as smart as me David, you are me! We’re all one consciousness remember? Remember who you are David!”. Then David Icke, Director of TPV, says “But David, I don’t like wasting all that money and losing it. You wouldn’t like to lose money would you?” and David Icke of “David Icke Books Ltd” states the obvious: “But David, what are you talking about? You haven’t lost a cent because all that money you are buying the books with isn’t yours! It’s money donated by the public. You’re losing THEIR money and all that money is coming across to me at “David Icke Books Ltd”. Trust me David, I WILL share it with you!”.
The central equitable principle applicable to directors is to avoid any possibility of a conflict of interest.
The purpose of the no conflict rule is to ensure directors carry out their tasks like it was their own interest at stake. Beyond corporate opportunities, the law requires directors accept no benefits from third parties under section 176, and also has specific regulation of transactions by a company with another party in which directors have an interest. Under section 177, when directors are on both sides of a proposed contract, for example where a person owns a business selling iron chairs to the company in which he is a director,[110] it is a default requirement that they disclose the interest to the board, so that disinterested directors may approve the deal. The company’s articles could heighten the requirement, say, to shareholder approval. If such a self dealing transaction has already taken place, directors still have a duty to disclose their interest and failure to do so is a criminal offence, subject to a £5000 fine. While such regulation through disclosure hovers with a relatively light touch, self dealing rules become more onerous as transactions become more significant. Shareholder approval is requisite for specific transactions with directors, or connected persons, when the sum of money either exceeds 10% of the company and is over £5000, or is over £100,000 in a company of any size. Further detailed provisions govern loaning money. On the question of director remuneration where the conflict of interest appears most serious, however, regulation is again relatively light. Directors pay themselves by default, but in large listed companies have pay set by a remuneration committee of directors. Under section 439, shareholders may cast a vote on remuneration but this “say on pay“, as yet, is not binding.
Finally, under section 172 directors must “promote the success of the company”. This somewhat nebulous provision created significant debate during its passage through Parliament, since it goes on to prescribe that decisions should be taken in the interests of members, with regard to long term consequences, the need to act fairly between members, and a range of other “stakeholders“, such as employees, suppliers, the environment, the general community, and creditors. Many groups objected to this “enlightened shareholder value” model, which in form elevated the interests of members, who are invariably shareholders, above other stakeholders. However, the duty is particularly difficult to sue upon since it is only a duty for a director to do what she or “he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company”. Proof of subjective bad faith toward any group being difficult, directors have the discretion to balance all competing interests, even if to the short term detriment of shareholders in a particular instance. There is also a duty under section 173 to exercise independent judgment and the duty of care in section 174 applies to the decision making process of a director having regard to the factors listed in section 172, so it remains theoretically possible to challenge a decision if made without any rational basis. Only registered shareholders, not other stakeholders without being members of the general meeting, have standing to claim any breach of the provision. But section 172’s criteria are useful as an aspirational standard because in the annual Director’s Report companies must explain how they have complied with their duties to stakeholders. Also, the idea of whether a company’s success will be promoted is central when a court determines whether a derivative claim should proceed in the course of corporate litigation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_company_law
In short, if you can’t be arsed reading the above, there is recognition in law regarding the reality of doing precisely what a “reptilian possessed” David Icke is capable of doing and that the ethics are far more than suspect (because it is obvious what is happening) but, given the TPV and “David Icke Books Ltd” set up and the fact there are only two shareholders of each, all very happy with how things turn out, then the reptilian possessed Icke would get away scot free. 🙂
And all Ickeans will say is “Well he’s got to make a living!” Sure he does and he is doing so very well from your money you stupid, naive, gullible prat!
Now, TPV may WELL be a “Not for profit” enterprise or it may not. I have no evidence of either. IS it registered as a charity? Or as a “Not for profit”? There is absolutely no evidence of that but it matters not one iota! “David Icke books Ltd” is a FOR PROFIT enterprise which can entirely legally sell its books to a “Not for profit” enterprise. The two separate legal entities can conduct business with one another. The “Not for profit” taking on an expense and the “For profit” making…. well…. a very healthy profit!
There is so much more to this and the capabilities of TPV to create a vehicle for, and take all the cost for, setting up Gareth Icke with his own little music business but I could go on forever demonstrating how all this can be done and what can be done.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND HOWEVER THAT THE FOREGOING ONLY CONSIDERS WHAT IS POSSIBLE AND LEGAL AND PROBABLE IF DAVID ICKE WAS POSSESSED BY A REPTILIAN. IT DOES NOT SUGGEST THAT DAVID ICKE, THE FINE UPSTANDING TURTH GURU WHO EXPOSES CORRUPTION, WOULD RESORT TO SUCH PRACTICE (EVEN THOUGH THE DONATIONS PROVIDING HIM WITH ABSOLUTELY FREE MONEY AND THE ABILITY TO BUY ASSETS OF VARIOUS KINDS THEN SELL AT A LATER DATE MAKING A HANDSOME PROFIT PLUS THE VERY FACT THAT DAVID ICKE IS PROMOTING DAVID ICKE ON TPV, FUNDED BY YOU, IS ALL INESCAPABLE FACT).
In the UK, many nonprofit companies are incorporated as a company limited by guarantee. This means that the company does not have shares or shareholders, but it has the benefits of corporate status. This includes limited liability for its members and being able to enter into contracts and purchase property in its own name. The goals (“objects”) of the company are defined in the Memorandum of Association when the company is formed. The profits of the company (also referred to as the trading surplus) must be invested in achieving these goals and not distributed to the company’s members.
http://business.fiu.edu/newsletters/BusinessNetworks/2008/07/business_insight.cfm
I don’t have any time for this guy and his promoter, Jones, either but this speaks volumes nonetheless.
Meanwhile, check this out. EXACTLY the same wording except for one obvious element:
Here is the ad on Facebook for anyone who’s a musician and wishes to “come long” to the TPV studio to be part of a launch film for “The Banned” music programme hosted by Gareth Icke.
Now, here is the exact same wording for the ad which appears on a specific website for musicians/student musicians:
Spot the difference? 🙂
THEY REALLY DO HOPE YOU WILL COME OF COURSE. Let’s ignore that, once more, they are advertising for a certain type of person, a certain look, a certain attitude (that THEY like of course) – what happened to “The People’s Voice”? They are very choosy of what sorts of people and look and attitude they attract for it to be solely for “the people”. People come in all shapes, sizes, ages, attitudes, types but they want CERTAIN SPECIFIC TYPES to promote a certain specific type of network/channel/”hip” (in their view). It’s kinda like turning up at the nightclub but the bouncer turning you away because they want to attract a certain crowd. But let’s forget all that.
Noticed it yet?
Well, in the Facebook “shout out” they have “Sadly, there’s no fee for turning up, but we’ll provide some food, some drinks!” – But that’s for the general dumb populace who are just avid fans of anything and everything Icke does. That’s why they’re on his Facebook page after all.
The ACM one (not an Icke page then but Icke wants to attract the muso’s and cool student types): “Sadly, there’s no fee for turning up, but we’ll provide some food, some drinks and we can cover basic travel expenses.”
Hahahaha. So they finally considered travel expenses as being important to cover – just not for volunteers giving their energy and time constantly but for those who the station are desperate to attract.
Good on ya Deanna. You certainly have your priorities sorted!
“We pay for what might be a bit more difficult to attract however serious fans are already captured so fuck them!” LOL
SO BLATANT MAN!
One last thing: “It’s raunchy, decadent…… people who look like they know how to party”
Let’s consider what decadent means.
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1.characterized by or reflecting a state of moral or cultural decline.“a decaying, decadent Britain”
synonyms: dissolute, dissipated, degenerate, corrupt, depraved, louche, rakish,shameless, sinful, unprincipled, immoral, licentious, wanton,abandoned, unrestrained, profligate, intemperate; More
Now, doesn’t that remind you of exactly what you would consider the “elite” (that is, in Icke’s language, “the reptilians”) are into and want from the world? Moral and cultural decline – for example, pedophilia. What a strange irony in so many ways Icke is displaying.
BUT IT WOULD APPEAR THAT HIS FOLLOWERS HAPPILY HAVE: THEIR EYES WIDE SHUT!
The People’s Voice & OFCOM.
There you are.
It’s YOUR voice right? David keeps telling you that. It’s YOU funding it too right? David keeps telling you that too. It’s for the public’s interest isn’t it? That’s the whole idea of it isn’t it? To be in the public’s interest to expose these nasty people across the board isn’t it?
So, go for it. According to OFCOM, information as to whether “The People’s Voice” has applied or is being considered for a licence cannot be divulged (and this is the thing that gives you the power to put him on the spot) “is not, so long as that business continues to be carried on, to be disclosed without the consent of the person for the time being carrying on that business. ” (They quote the Communications Act 2003 and that Act expressly states that if you do not have consent from the business owner – that OBVIOUSLY not being you then! lol – then they will not reveal the information. So then ASK for David’s consent! He is transparent isn’t he? He wouldn’t be hiding anything would he? Why on EARTH would he do that? 🙂
But here is the sensational irony which shall be totally lost on all the Icke congregation:
British regulatory legislation is protecting David Icke from the need for transparency in his business dealings which are meant to be for the British (and world) public and funded by the British (and world) public!
While David Icke and TPV is about absolutely destroying the very establishment which has decided to provide him with that protection from transparency!
WHOOSH! Right over Icke followers heads!
To: Me
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:25:23 +0000
Dear Mr
Please find attached a response to your request for information.
Kind regards
Julia
Dear Julia,
From: TV.Licensing@ofcom.org.uk
To: Me
Subject: RE: Content licensing
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:29:12 +0000
Yes.
Services which are broadcast from the UK via the internet are licensable. This is set out in the notes of guidance for applicants and reflects the requirement of the Audio Visual Media Services Directive.
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/tvlicensing/guidance_notes_and_apps/
Therefore, my follow up questions are as follows:
1. I must assume, therefore, that if such an organisation has not been issued with a licence by the time of commencing broadcasting, that they shall be in breach of the statutory requirements in such an instance? This is a general question relating to any and all broadcasters and potential broadcasters of internet content. If this assumption is incorrect, can you advise me of the specific situations in which a broadcaster need not apply for and be granted a licence by OFCOM (or ATVOD)?
2. Specifically, is it necessary that “The People’s Voice” DOES have a licence (content licence) to broadcast? According to the reply above, this is the case. Is the reply correct?
3. Further, I would wish to add this: “The People’s Voice” is, as can be clearly evidenced by the continuing requests for donations by the public and the continuing promotion of the station as being “The People’s” station, suggesting it is purely being set up and broadcast FOR the “public interest”. It is the public funding it (unless I am mistaken – which is very probable in my opinion although that is not what is being “sold” TO the public). If, then, it promotes its entire raison d’être as being “in the public interest” then it is not, at all, in the public interest that they do not know and have no way of knowing whether the public’ interest is being served by the station/company (a Private Limited Company suggesting it is non profit) complying with the statutory requirements. If the public is not allowed such information then it is a clear indication that the company is acting in a private and non transparent manner and that OFCOM and present legislation is enabling such.
How, then, can it be stated that it not require a “public interest test” to provide this information for a broadcast network funded by the public? Please answer this question for me very logically.
4. Having read section 393(1) of the Communications Act, it does occur to me that for, as you say, the information to be “classified” (for that is what this is – classified and not available to the public), the “business” must have been granted a provision to operate under that act for the protection of section 393(1) to come into force. Am I correct?
393 General restrictions on disclosure of information
(1)Subject to the following provisions of this section, information with respect to a particular business which has been obtained in exercise of a power conferred by—
(b)the enactments relating to the management of the radio spectrum (so far as not contained in this Act),
is not, so long as that business continues to be carried on, to be disclosed without the consent of the person for the time being carrying on that business.
So, a legislative body related to government must have given approval for “The People’s Voice” (or ANY such broadcaster) to operate under the terms of the Communications Act 2003. Again, Am I correct?
So here’s how the conversation went between David Icke and those who granted him the benefit of conducting his business under the Communications Act 2003:
“Hello Mr Icke, what can we do for you?”
“Well I’d like to set up a business in broadcasting over the internet please”
“Indeed Mr Icke. What exactly is it you intend to broadcast?”
“Oh just a lot of the REAL news that the BBC etc don’t broadcast and show everyone the truth of the corruption and paedophilia etc etc which goes on among our legislators, the Police, Government, Parliament, the Queen and generally do whatever is possible to expose the scum for what they are.”
“Hmmm. Do you realise that it is all of those institutions and the people within them and who you speak of who create the laws and legislation of this country Mr Icke? It’s highly unlikely then that you shall be granted such a business under the Communications Act 2003 which will, effectively, protect you from having to give information out to those who fund you and those who you say the tv network is for and on behalf of. Generally speaking in the real world Mr Icke, one’s enemies being in such a powerful position, do not tend to provide the legal vehicle for one to attack them. Are there any extenuating circumstances as to why you think it would be different in your case?”
“33”
“Oh I see! How would you like to pay?”
“American Express?”
“That’ll do nicely sir, thank you!”
GET REAL ICKEANS! Actually use your newly found “enlightenment” to THINK assholes!
David, if I had an audience like yours I’d be grinning like a cheshire cat too!
Addendum:
While this guy who wanks off strangers in public toilets (and you find out Tony Blair or any other politician does the same and what do you do?) gets a prime slot on BBC television to make the call for “Revolution” while neither he nor Icke have ANY form of solution (they do not have the intellect to propose a solution!!).
What is it you do not understand about the very thing Icke and co talk about? “Ordo Ab Chao”. This is PRECISELY what you are seeing these same people creating – CHAOS. Because, without a solution, a “revolution” WILL simply create that chaos! JOB DONE!
To all of you who consider yourself “awakened” WAKE THE FUCK UP! And no, I shall not apologise for the language. You deserve the sheer condescension thrown at you!
“Do you have a solution Earthling? If not shut up!” – Well in fact I do. I have solutions but I would need people to listen and support them as much as these guys have their audience otherwise I am pissing in the wind. There are two main elements: The monetary system and the legal system. There is also the religious aspect but that can wait. With numbers supporting what I would have planned (and it is very easy and takes nothing but sheer numbers to support WORDS. Yes WORDS. That is ALL it takes.) not “I” but WE could literally destroy this system BUT (and this is the big thing) BUT we would destroy it with a solution NOT just “We want a revolution”. Give him his due (and I hate to) Paxman was right to say “Yes but what do you replace it with?”
Why are these people getting to raise their profiles on the BBC etc? While they have no solution? It is because they are the perfect, well known (loved) celebrities that the vast majority of plonkers out there will listen to in abject ignorance! It is PERFECT for the establishment. If you do not understand this then you do not deserve the description of “Awakened”.
Don’t get me wrong. I recognise what I believe to be sincere (although I have been proven wrong with Icke and that is a certainty) and correct points being made by Brand. He delivers the points well also BUT, without a solution, the people who we are working against utilise every side to create the hegelian “synergy” that they need to create the change that THEY wish to impose. They do it subtly and they do it well. You KNOW that. And until such times as a solution is put forward and listened to and supported, all you are doing by “rah rah”ing Russell Brand and co is creating the chaos that these people want. That is why he is on the BBC. IF he had a solution (a real one) the BBC would not got near him with a ten foot pole.
Brand mentions support of a solution if one comes forward, then, while I have blogged about them incessantly over the last year or so (having concentrated on the problems beforehand), it is now time to support solutions. The destruction of the present monetary system and replacement with MPE (or equivalent) is one aspect. The other is the recognition of the legal person and how it is implemented to all our detriment then, not so much replacing it but recognising the con in it and adjustment of such to create a TRUE “everyone is equal before the law” system. Both of these elements go hand in hand – they MUST do because they feed off one another.
How to achieve it? Simple (it really is): I can write to 10 Downing street and copy to all media outlets (tv and press) and provide absolute fact and evidence coupled with total logic which YOU would support) and, with your support (but it would have to be hundreds of thousands of people – that’s it, it needs NUMBERS. Numbers which Icke and co have but do not utilise for the purpose of lobbying) we could shake the UK government and parliament to its very core based upon pure intellect. NOT chaotic, on the streets revolution (it never achieved anything).
But then who am I right? Well, who are you?
And that is the underlying problem: You look to celebrity to sort it or be your “spiritual” leader. This NEVER works. What DOES work is understanding the solution (and even if there are certain areas of it you do not understand or even disagree with – we are NEVER all going to agree on every detail, that’s what makes us individuals – you still recognise the fundamentals being 100% accurate and beneficial to you and us all) and then taking the view that the best interests of the 99% are served in such a case. You do not achieve “nirvana” for all in one single step but the first step will be catastrophic for the 1% and create the basis for progressing toward that “nirvana”.
One small step…….
The question remains: How do we gather hundreds of thousands? THAT is the issue.
David Icke’s Corporate sponsors
Re-publishing this article because it was written PRIOR to my applying to TPV. I have already explained why I did and my change of heart (not so much a change of heart but thinking “I need to give these guys the benefit of the doubt”). So I did and guess what? I found I shouldn’t have! lol
Always go with your gut instinct. I MUST remember that. But the real interesting stuff here is Tabatabai’s connections. Globalist ones which you will see clearly IF you research them.
Following on from my blog entitled: David Icke: “A Central bank of his own” (https://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/david-icke-a-central-bank-of-his-own/)
Icke does it again! He takes yet another step which demonstrates this is about a business venture; a media empire?; Icke’s voice not yours.
Time and again, we hear the words of politicians and bankers – they sound “good” some of the time and well justified. They say “Obamacare will provide healthcare for every family” without explaining the massive cost of doing so and the inability for you to opt out while the Congress and Senate do not have “Obamacare”. We hear him say “I won’t sign the NDAA” and he does. We hear “I will close Guantanamo” and he doesn’t. We hear “The Bush administration must stay within the law rather than illegally wiretap” and VOILA! NSA and Obama knew all about it. We hear him say “This will be the most transparent Whitehouse ever” and then journalists are targeted as are whistleblowers.
So what’s that got to do with Mr Icke? After all, I wrote the previous blog and some of the reactions of Icke’s followers were as entirely expected while some were hilarious in their naivety and gullibility. Well, Mr Icke is telling you one thing while he gets £300,000 from you to start up his venture (again, HIS not YOURS – he’s not giving YOU an interest whatsoever in it EXCEPT that he’s going to give you “the truth” – HIS truth. And of course, his followers will accept it as the truth because, to do otherwise, would have them have to admit that where they have spoken to friends, neighbours and family and invested so much of themselves into what he says – a lot of it, I admit, is fact but just enough of it is total utter bullshit and helps no-one even if it were fact! – they would lose face AND, don’t forget, they would then have to “opt out” of the “Icke gang”. People HAVE to have and be a member of SOME “gang” or other otherwise they feel lost. YET, Icke fans will say “think for yourselves”. I gotta laugh – if a lot of them thought for themselves their heads would explode!). That thing being that this is “your voice”, the “People’s Voice”. To a great extent it may well be BUT that’s just like the political parties who ask for their donations from THEIR “sheep”. Icke now has formally got himself “Icke lambs” (to the slaughter). These political donations to parties – do the parties then truly speak for the people who donate (the little guy who’s a member?) or do they speak for the large donors and the corporate donors?
Ask yourself that question then give yourself the answer which you know full well!
So you’ve donated to Mr Icke while he asks for £50 for a t-shirt and THEN – wait for it! – if you actually do wish for YOUR voice to be heard on his channel (NOT yours) then he’s only asking for £10,000 from you for a one half hour slot! You can learn to play guitar with a teacher for £10 per 1/2hour slot! Imagine giving a guitar teacher £10K for lessons. It would last you and he’d teach you until you surpassed Jimi Hendrix or Eddie Van Halen for christ’s sakes!
Anyhow, you’ve donated and get N O T H I N G except the pleasure of watching and listening to what Mr Icke decides to broadcast and you think “Hey! My 10 pence contributed to that!” YOU ASSHOLE! But don’t worry there are a hell of a lot of you so you’re in good company – part of the gang as I said. After all you’re “awake” (in your dreams!). Like George Carlin once said: “It’s called the American dream because you’ve got to be asleep to believe it”. Well with Icke it’s “If you don’t believe it or me then you’re not awake”. Sure most of you sense or can see all that is wrong in the world but that doesn’t mean you have any concept of being used like an evangelist uses his followers in their “church” where they donate and the evangelist walks away rich as hell and you are left with false hopes.
So, before I wrote my last blog on this, Mr Icke hadn’t mentioned a word about the donation v investment issue. Then he did. I don’t propose it was due to my blog on the subject BUT the timing was immaculate. This is the video he produced to “justify” what he was doing:
He has, since, gone on to accept Indiegogo’s suggestion/offer of another 10 days of “Crowdsourcing” funding for the TV channel venture.
BUT NOW, he’s taken a further step which shows his hand. Now I repeat – THIS IS A GUY THAT, UP UNTIL NOW, I PRETTY MUCH TRUSTED AS BEING ON THE LEVEL (with, perhaps, a few reservations but nothing like the reservations I have now) – I even shook his hand at Bilderberg 2013. However, I am quite simply stating this: David Icke and Alex Jones – whether or not they fully realise it – are doing a “job” for the globalists who are trying to turn this world on its head. The globalist want fear, they also want to show you the corruption and they want to create chaos and have you all in a mental state of confusion and an ignorantly based belief system that “capitalism is bad” or even “socialism” or any ism is bad. The fact is yes, they all are BUT this creation of chaos and the opening of “Pandora’s Box” showing the world how corrupt the present system is and our political leaders are is part of the globalist agenda! You even KNOW this when you read and take in what you read of their own documents PLUS if you read the protocols. They want the destruction of the present political system! I’m not saying it shouldn’t be destroyed, I am just concerned (for good reason) that the populations of the world are not going to be able to arrive at a populist solution but simply take what is offered to them!
JONES AND ICKE ARE NOT PROFFERING ANY SOLUTIONS ARE THEY? NO THEY ARE BLOODY WELL NOT!
But what they ARE doing is profiting from your misery just as the politicians and bankers are doing, From your misery, your ignorance and your gullibility!
Oh you’re NOT gullible?
How, then, is it that you are not demanding what Icke is offering to CORPORATES – Sponsorship deals! Now I’m sure that he said he didn’t want “Investors”. Didn’t he say that? I’m sure he did! But, once more, you Ickians will justify and excuse (the exact same behaviour you despise from those still not “awake” and supporting Obama or a political party or an “ism”).
“Sponsorship doesn’t mean Investor” I hear some (or most) of you say. Like the guy who turned to me and said “He’s asking for donations not investment” not recognising what a bloody stupid, obvious thing to say considering my point in the last blog was that he was asking for donations because he did not wish to give you an investment in HIS business!
So let’s look more closely at what Sponsorship means:
Corporate sponsorship can take many forms, but generally involves a company or organisation attaching its name to a charity, event, or other promotion in exchange for providing funds or paying a sponsorship fee. Corporate sponsorship is an effective means of advertising for many organisations, because it promotes goodwill. Companies are more likely to spend large amounts of money sponsoring highly publicised events due to the amount of publicity that can be generated and the opportunity to be affiliated with a good cause or popular event.
Typically a director of development from a charitable organisation initiates the contact. They begin by approaching marketing directors of different companies to solicit funding. Rather than solicit straight donations, the charity makes the offer sweeter for the company by offering sponsorship opportunities in exchange for monetary donations. The company is more likely to donate money to a charitable cause when they have the ability to gain publicity as a result.
The specific terms of the agreement are then outlined in a written contract. For example, a company is sponsoring a charity golf tournament. The terms of the agreement state that the company’s name and logo will be used on all marketing and promotional materials leading up to and on the day of the event. The company will be credited as the headline sponsor for the event in all radio and television advertising leading up to the event, and the company’s logo will appear on event T-shirts.
The company making the donation typically becomes actively involved in the charity after the relationship has been established. For example, the president or other representative of the sponsoring company may sit on the board of directors for the charitable organisation, or a representative from the sponsoring company takes an active role in helping to plan and organise the charitable event.
Now, whether or not those sponsors actually get a say or a chair on the board, the point is that Icke is going to have to keep the message(s) on the “People’s Voice” in line with the wishes of his Corporate Sponsors OR he isn’t going to get any. Not only that but these sponsors actually get something of value to them out of donating (in this case it IS an investment for them and David is quite happy to allow an investment – “but with no financial return to them you understand right?” ;-)) whereas you’re not even being offered anything of value for YOUR donation! (Except that naive belief that he’s going to be YOUR voice! LOL).
So, once more, Icke creates money out of nothing for himself (The effective “Quantitative Easing” by creating hundreds of thousands of pounds from the many’s small donations) and then he’s inviting the sponsors in – the advertisers – but no matter how much money he gets it will ALL be ploughed back into the station (let’s ignore that the “Directors” and staff – essentially Icke and his family and friends – will receive probably pretty good salaries out of this venture and as the sponsorship deals come through and advertising, so the salaries will increase. So “no profit” just damned nice salaries! 😉
But David’s going to work for free. Yes SURE he is. He won’t take a salary – of COURSE not – he’ll take a 6 monthly or yearly dividend. YOU don’t need to know that do you?
Now, here is the Company vehicle for “The People’s Voice”:
People’s voice Directors
So who’s the guy with the strange name (with “ADL” in the middle of it? A strange quirk considering isn’t it? Not that I’m suggesting anything I just found it funny for obvious reasons).
Well Sean is a Producer – as stated – and is also Icke’s “David Icke.com” webmaster as well as his trusted partner in this venture. But he has strange connections. Now, anyone else with 47 connections on their LinkedIn profile, 2 of which (the most from one organisation) being the BBC, PLUS connections with “Newstate Partners LLP” (look them up) and “EF Education First (first for what? Conditioning students into a globalist mindset AND which has trips to Nazi Concentration Camps in Germany just to keep the holocaust in mind no doubt) would have ANY ONE OF YOU think “Ahah!!” if it were anyone else but the partner of David Icke but, since it is the partner of David Icke then “there must be some simple sort of explanation (which, you can be assured, there will be I’m sure).
Their roots with S.G. Warburg indeed while they advise governments and Central Banks on debt management etc. Yeah, he probably just does their websites too right? Plus the BBC’s, plus EF Education First – ALL globalist organisations. Sure the guy just has to make a living right?
Each of the circles on the outer ring represents one of his connections. This is where, if you hover over them on his LinkedIn page you find, amongst others, Newstate and EF. The large circle in the middle represents his largest number of connections with one organisation and that is only 2, both with the BBC.
Sure, if Icke has a LinkedIn he might even have a couple of people as connections from the BBC – who knows? – after all he used to work for them (Wogan might even be one of them! ;-)) but Tabatabai having connections with them AND the other two is just a LITTLE teeny weeny bit strange. However, I’m sure you don’t think so so by all means carry on believing.
Why do I write these blogs about Icke these days? Because, to me, he’s now transparent. I’m not saying he’s a bad dude but I despise the way he’s actually treating you, his audience. If you enjoy being treated in such a way then more power to your elbow.
Personally, however, I don’t think you’re NEARLY awake. Just naive and FAR too trusting and gullible.
David Icke: “A Central Bank of his own”
Please, before you David Icke aficionados go nuts at this, please step back, take a deep breath and THINK!
I happen to appreciate the information and exposure which Icke and friends (including Alex Jones) give to this corrupt and deadly New World Order etc. I attended Bilderberg on two days (Thursday and Saturday) and I conversed with both gentlemen on various topics and I appreciate their work (to an extent). HOWEVER, I am NOT one to just accept all that is stated by these two gentlemen passively without question. We question everything and everyone today. We question the mainstream media and we criticise them constantly.
I picked up on what was happening in our world before I had ever heard of David Icke and Alex Jones. I then came to hear about them and recognised something that I wasn’t aware of – I was not alone in realising the world was not as it seemed and so much was obscured from us. So, of course, I picked up on what these two (and others) were talking about and pointing out and, to a great extent (I guess about 95%) I am in line with both of them. However, as I said, I do not just accept everything they lay down without question EVEN THOUGH I will even keep an open mind on many of Mr Icke’s more fantastic claims because I have come to recognise over a long period of years that there is just so much I would never have believed was probable is, in fact, fact.
That said. I do not like anyone being deceived or “abused” through their naivety (or desperation). We all wish for change – real change – and we all support these guys to varying degrees. BUT…. David Icke, in my humble view, has crossed the rubicon with his latest “venture” which is the new TV/Radio station/channel which he is hoping to get off the ground and make a success of. I certainly wish him well with it (even though I have reservations about one or two of the “personalities” he is suggesting will be part of it. This is in no way an attempt to undermine the venture. I want a “People’s Voice” as much as any of you. I will also support David’s attempts to create such a forum and vehicle for such.
There are many people (and it is growing from what I see and hear) who are questioning the “agendas” of people Like Icke and Jones. They suggest they are “shills” for the establishment and for the NWO. I don’t for one moment believe that for, if they were, they must be stupid. Not only stupid, they, in their knowledge of the endgame, know that they would be helping in the establishment of a world in which THEIR offspring would be imprisoned and enslaved as much as yours and mine. Does anyone seriously think they are that dumb? It COULD be that, unknown to us, both of these men have been approached and told that they can continue to preach and talk on their subjects BUT there are certain subjects which may not be covered – such as that of the LEGAL PERSON and the ACTUAL con of the Banking system which is not just fractional reserve but the fundamental con being that the banks DO NOT CREATE MONEY OUT OF NOTHING but that they STEAL our own promissory obligations and RE-PRESENT them as Bank promissory obligations (Banknotes/Money). They then charge interest on these “re-presentations” of our own promissory obligations. Otherwise, it is entirely possible for us to issue our promissory obligations directly to one another AND THEREFORE, no banks are necessary whatsoever.
Mr Icke and Mr Jones do not cover either of these topics and refuse to discuss/debate them. That leaves MASSIVE QUESTIONS in my mind particularly when both gents speak and preach about “openness” and “willingness to debate” and they hold the MSM in disdain for not addressing al that they do appropriately or in detail. Well, I have to state that THEY do not address the two foregoing issues satisfactorily (if at all) for my liking.
However, back to the point: The People’s Voice.
Mr Icke, with others, incessantly go on about the Banking system and “the creation of money out of thin air” (which is fundamentally wrong). YET, what do we have with “The People’s Voice” business venture?
Well, under any other circumstances, a business venture is normally funded by investors (seed capital from “Angel Investors” or Venture Capital companies who expect a return on their investment) or by the banks themselves. If it isn’t then the money has to come from the person creating the business themselves. After all, it is their vision and it is their risk.
David Icke, in this case, has been asking for donations to reach £100K (he is now asking for that figure to go much higher). All well and good and I can hear so many of you saying “Well it is for a good cause”. That may well be the case and I am not disputing that. HOWEVER, what David is NOT offering to the people who are funding HIS business venture, is a share in it!
DAVID ICKE IS, THEREFORE – THERE IS NO ARGUMENT HERE – CREATING MONEY FOR HIMSELF, OUT OF THIN AIR! JUST PRECISELY AS THE CENTRAL BANKS DO WHO HE CASTIGATES FOR DOING SO! HE IS GETTING MONEY (your money) FOR NOTHING!
There is absolutely no harm in your funding his business BUT, if he is so grateful and if it is for you, then WHY is he not offering a stake in it? EVEN IF it doesn’t work out and is a flop, you may not get anything from it BUT, at the very least, he had given you an opportunity for gain. The very people I assume he is hoping to help and he is NOT giving you the opportunity of benefitting from the investment you make in his venture! If it is TRULY the people’s voice then he must SURELY give the people, who’s voice he wishes to project, the benefit of having a share in the investment AND, therefore, a say in WHAT “voice” it is they wish to project! THAT is “democratic” and THAT is fair! Otherwise, it is a vehicle for David Icke ONLY to project the voice HE determines is yours! THAT is dangerous!
He surely knows that and can see the logical reality in that.
So, there will be SO MANY who, in their excitement and in their hope, will pledge their money and donate to this venture BUT they are refusing to see and acknowledge what they are doing is acting as a Venture Capitalist or “Angel Investor” and they are getting NOTHING for their good faith.
DAVID ICKE SHOULD KNOW BETTER IF HE TRULY CONSIDERS THE BENEFIT OF US ALL.
I would, quite happily, fund his venture but, I am afraid, I will not allow David Icke to”create money out of nothing” with his own version of Quantitative Easing.
DAVID, YOU DISAPPOINT ME! Give those who invest in your business venture their rightful return. If you do not then you are subject to intense questioning. You lose nothing in doing so except 100% control and, if profitable, less than 100% of the profits made. But we are “all one” David therefore you should be more than willing to share in the success. IF it is not a success then no-one wins anyhow. At this point however, you are acting as the consummate capitalist banker! HOW IRONIC!
THE PEOPLE’S VOICE BUT NOT THE PEOPLE’S INVESTMENT – THAT’S DAVID’S! (but with the People’s money!)
Earthling 
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