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MH370 and Inmarsat

Posted in "Terrorism", Disappearance of MH370, Geo-Political Warfare by earthling on March 21, 2014
HC Deb 21 April 1994 vol 241 cc657-8W657W

§Ms EagleTo ask the Secretary of State for Transport what representations he has received regarding the percentage of Inmarsat C distress calls received by the United Kingdom Marine regional control centre are false alarms; and what inquiries he has made as a response.

§Mr. NorrisNo representations have been received on false Inmarsat-C distress calls.

§Ms EagleTo ask the Secretary of State for Transport what steps he is taking to monitor the effectiveness of the global maritime distress and safety system.

§Mr. NorrisThe United Kingdom monitors the effectiveness of the global maritime distress and safety system by maintaining a record of distress calls received by our search and rescue authorities and their response. One outcome of this has been the identification of an unacceptable level of false alerts. This has been brought to the attention of the International Maritime Organisation.

§Ms EagleTo ask the Secretary of State for Transport what discussions he has had with unions and owners on the effectiveness of the global maritime distress and safety system.


§Mr. NorrisThe introduction of the global maritime distress and safety system was thoroughly discussed with representative bodies of the ship owners and seafarers at all stages of its development. The implementation of the requirements and their effectiveness is discussed at the Maritime Radio Advisory Committee where these organisations are fully represented.



HC Deb 20 October 1994 vol 248 c324W324W

§Mr. Tony Banks

To ask the Secretary of State for Transport how many false alarms have been registered in the past 12 months on the global maritime distress and safety systems; and what was the estimated cost of the false alarms.

§Mr. Norris

During the year 1 October 1993 to 30 September 1994 HM Coastguard recorded a total of 956 false alerts within the global maritime distress and safety systems attributed toInternational Maritime Satellite (INMARSAT)343Satellite Aided Position Indicating Systems (COSPAS/SARSAT)511Medium Frequency Radio Digital Selective Calling (MFDSC)102

The estimated cost to the Coastguard Agency based on an average of two man hours to deal with each false alert is £17,016 for the year 1 October 1993, to 30 September 1993.



Think about a mobile phone base station. There are thousands of base stations spread across the country. Your mobile can be tracked to the specific base station footprint (or cell) that you are in but, without GPS, it cannot tell you exactly how close in or far you are from the base station antenna itself and it cannot say at which radius angle within the 360degree cell coverage, you are located on.

Well, what you have with Inmarsat in this case, is ONE SINGLE BASE STATION with a cell size as you can see on the map above.

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  1. David said, on March 21, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    In your mobile phone analogy….you are correct except for one thing: The DISTANCE of the mobile phone from the single mast would be able to be calculated…but only expressed as a CIRCLE or in this case….an ARC.
    It would require subsequent readings to plot a course, or direction for the aircraft in question….which they say they did…

    If they have several readings…they know which direction the plane flew in.

    Somebody’s lying….I think it’s Inmarsat.

    • earthlinggb said, on March 21, 2014 at 3:03 pm

      I agree that the distance CAN be measured but it is still not exact at all because of multipath effects. For instance, you could be quite a distance away from the mast but have clear, direct line of sight. Otherwise, you could be close by but within a very built up area which absorbs your signal and the multipath (bouncing of the signal from various surfaces) could reduce your signal strength giving the impression you are as far away as the guy with the clear line of sight.

    • earthlinggb said, on March 21, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      Even with subsequent readings from Inmarsat, I still don’t see how they can do anything but say it’s now a different distance from the satellite but still within a full circumference. You’d need two satellites in different locations to do any triangulation.

    • earthlinggb said, on March 21, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      Oh god! It’s becoming pretty obvious I have another “jew” stalking me. He/she keeps giving my posts a one star but never comments. I notice that the one stars are always definitely those to do with jews and homosexuals. It must be Dharmabro! He did get awfully upset poor lad. 🙂

  2. Tom said, on March 21, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Getting nuttier

    CNN’s ‘black hole’ theory for Flight 370 demonstrates astonishing scientific illiteracy at popular news network

    Learn more:

    • earthlinggb said, on March 21, 2014 at 6:21 pm

      OMFG! Just watched the video of it on youtube! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! OMFG! Sorry but once more… OMFG!

      • Crystali said, on March 21, 2014 at 7:55 pm

        LOL, I had an image of you with your hands on your hips and mouth agape while batting your eyelids..

      • Crystali said, on March 21, 2014 at 8:14 pm

        So spill the beans, what is OMFG all about… … What you discovered or thunk up?

      • Crystali said, on March 21, 2014 at 9:14 pm

        Oh, I get it, it’s an over exaggerated piss take?!

    • Crystali said, on March 21, 2014 at 8:09 pm

      Well I doubt CERN,s LHC can produce black holes outside the facility, but then you never know do you?!
      One of the more bizarre theories, but you can’t put anything past them anymore, what about the Norway spiral, we can only guess at what that was all about.

  3. D. Hounsome said, on March 21, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    This is all somewhat out of my league, but the amount of effort that you earthling put into what you do is astonishing.

    • earthlinggb said, on March 21, 2014 at 9:37 pm

      Denis, I have no idea what you find astonishing but glad you do and if any of it’s of value then even better.

  4. JS said, on March 24, 2014 at 5:33 am

    The arcs are simply a circle, approximately 2900 miles in radius or 5800 in diameter, excluding points on the circle deemed unreachable due to fuel or speed limitations of the aircraft.

    The western portion of the circle is more than 8 hours away for a 777. It can be excluded because at 8:11, even a plane headed directly there at full speed would not reach the circle in that direction.

    No explanation was ever given for the small gap in the eastern portion of the circle, between the two arcs. Presumably, the circles defined by pings between 2:11 and 8:11 placed the plane too far away from its starting point to make it back into that area by 8:11.

    Keep in mind that the arcs are locations the plane could have been at 8:11. An infinite number of paths are possible, though, but they require either lots of turns or lots of speed changes. For example, of the two paths to the southern Indian Ocean, the left path involves a higher speed than the right path. Go slower and the path would have to curve more to the right. Go real slow and it be a sideways “U” opening towards Singapore. Go real fast and the path curves leftward towards Africa.

    The mirror image of the arc yields a mirror image of the paths as well, putting the endpoint near Qiemo City China or west near the Kaz-China border. These paths are much more consistent with the last known path of the airplane, and also fit with Keith Ledgerwood’s theory.

    I suspect they are doing the ocean search now because they’ll be unable to find a black box ping after another week or so. If the plane crashed on land they basically have all the time they need to find it.

    Hope this helps.

    • earthlinggb said, on March 24, 2014 at 4:58 pm

      Js, yes I do understand that the aircraft could not actually reach the western portion of the circle in that time. My point was really to clarify that the satellite, by itself, could not point to any specific location on a complete circle because it has no way of calculating an exact location on any radial point on a 360degree. No explanation of the small gap is correct and, therefore, we have to “presume” once again, as you are doing. As for the flightpaths given, we have no data on which to base any presumption of accuracy on this. That is precisely why they are now saying that, if nothing comes up in the southern indian ocean then they go back to the northern arc. It’s all pure “guesswork” but I don’t even believe that (it is just pure guesswork). My own belief (arrived at by putting a whole heap of elements together) is that That plane has been “disappeared”. Now whether that is to Diego Garcia or not, I don’t know for sure but I’d bet on it. There are facts about what can be done remotely and I have posted regarding the patent that Boeing themselves have which allows (and it is stated) the CIA to remotely take over a boeing aircraft. Now, just because they got the patent in 2006 does not equate with them necessarily just having the technology to do it then. They could well have had it many years before. It then just being made public as a response to what we are told happened on 9/11. I don’t know Keithe Ledgerwood or his theory and I’m a little lost wrt what you mean by “mirror images” of the arcs.

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