Warning: David Icke & Alex Jones – use them intelligently

Posted in Gross stupidity within society by earthling on December 20, 2013

Because you are getting 90% facts mixed with pure fiction. That is a “deadly dose”.

You are NOT going to beat this thing by being so vacant-minded that you allow arseholes like these two to fill your brain with nonsense, misinfo and diversion.

By all means, however, if you are so sold on these people then you’re already lost and there’s nothing anyone can say to redeem your brain.

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  1. stephen said, on December 20, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    I would argue David Icke does not infact speak 90% fact.
    I would say more like 10% blatant lie (Rakorski) mixed with 80% dubious & misrepresented information (Reptilians) mixed with 5% plausiible then 5% fact.

    I can give many examples of this.
    For one, the Icke says the templars founded America before Colombus and one of his reasons given for believing this is the fact Rosslyn chapel at the time of william wallace was said to be covered in shrubbery only found in south america. He does not just say it as a fact but in a very patronising manner like it is soooooo obvious and anyone with half a brain will know the only way American shrubbery can get to Scotland is if people have been to America to bring it here.
    It is testiment to this mans lack of real knowledge and education and stupidity that he stands on stage spouting this complete and utter nonsense because if he actually knew anything about it he would know the west coast of Scotland is covered in South American shrubbery as the seeds get transported over by the gulf stream.
    What a complete laughing stock and fool Icke really is. A complete idiot that knows absolutely zilch.

    • spartacus said, on December 20, 2013 at 6:03 pm

      I agree with you Stephen, 100%.

    • stephen said, on December 22, 2013 at 10:51 am

      In addition to what i said above i would just like to be honest and admit that this is yet another reason i have lost all respect for Icke.
      I too made the mistake of thinking Icke was giving me an education into secret hidden knowledge and i too used his argument regarding the south american shrubbery as a debating tool and i do admit 99% of people i used this argument against stood down and complimented me for my intelligence and observational skills. However i later used this debate against someone that left me with egg on my face and exposed my observational skills and intelligence as an actual lack of general knowledge.

      ICKE, one day those people that now believe the Templars founded America based on your idiotic evidence are going to come across the real geological facts and when they do they are going to laugh their heads off at me and i dont appreciate people make a fool of me.

      ICKE, you are nothing but a comedian. You use the same logic and reason as stand up comedians.. You are not to be taken seriously.
      Everything you have ever wrote has the same hysterical falsehoods and twisted logic as the example i presented regarding the Templars.
      You fool 99% of the people that come across your work only because 99% of the people that do are lacking the foundations required in order to know the real facts.

      ICKE, you call yourself a researcher presenting information then let people make their own minds up.
      Why then did you present them with the information regarding the shrubbery being present at Rosslyn but then fail to add the small fact about the Gulf stream?

      And OFCOM regard you as a fit and proper person to teach on the internet and provide fair and accurate journalism?

      ICKE, get out of my sight. I dont suffer fools anymore. You should not be allowed to speak on stage alone for 9hours without the presence of a person that can interrupt you when needed and present the audience with the real information and correct your errors.
      You should be considered either a comedian or a hate speaker.
      But you are just a comedian.

  2. Philip Licinio said, on December 20, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    yes …correct! Use them wisely!

  3. Faro said, on December 20, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    You often hear people say, “If it had not have been for Icke or Jones I wouldn’t have woken up” No, it could have been someone who didn’t sell books at 15 quid and charge 70 pounds for an appearance or bang on about some mythical US history which never actually existed. The good old days. Slavery anyone? The slaughter of 60 million Native Indians?
    I actually feel ashamed that I even associated myself with these people.

    • stephen said, on December 21, 2013 at 12:22 am

      Wake up to what? the fact lizards rule the world and brought American shrubbery to Rosslyn chapel?
      It is Icke needs to wake up. And hopefully do proper research in future.
      If you take Ickes half baked facts you are setting yourself up for a fall when one day you use his simplistic reasoning to wake up a sheeple that just so happens to be knowledgable to know the real facts.

  4. John said, on December 21, 2013 at 10:06 am

    I remember when I read some of icke’s stuff. Some of what he said made sense, but I was always uncomfortable with him charging top whack for his books, talks and access to some areas of his web site. And for that reason I’ve never paid a penny to icke ,or any of the other bullshitters.

    My reasoning was, if icke really felt the information he had was life & death, world changing; why is he charging for it? Why not charge a few bucks for the books & talks to cover costs, have a totally free web site etc?

    But we know why, it’s all the about the money and fame for these ‘truthers’. Same as the televangelists.

    I wasn’t aware of the details of the con with the TPV (thanks earthling :-), but I knew it was a scam as soon as he announced it. His constant harping on about cutting-edge technology and using the fake, glossy ‘professionalism’ of the mainstream media as the benchmark rang alarm bells. He derides the MSM as frauds and repeaters, but he wants to slavishly copy them? It doesn’t make sense.

    Why couldn’t he use the money he raised to create a decentralised AM project, fund independent researchers and use the Internet infrastructure that’s already in place for distribution?

    That’s a rhetorical question by the way, I know why. It’s a con. It’s all about disinfo, icke’s ego and his pathetic desire to be some sort of AM ted turner.

    The cracks in his con were already showing before the TPV debacle. Now only the most gullible and those with mental health issues buy what this bullshitter is selling.

    The same applies to jones, after all these years, the fucker still hasn’t got any solutions or a coherent strategy to fight the ‘NWO’ (copyright InfoWars). Jone’s is an even more obvious conman than icke… if that’s possible.

    My advice is to steer well clear of anyone begging for money. Because if they can’t find any other means to support themselves other than begging, then it says a lot about the person’s motives and character.

    Having said that, if there are any marks out there who want to send me a donation for writing this post, my paypal is; iamasucker @ conman.con. Thanks for your time.

    • SPARTACUS said, on December 21, 2013 at 8:32 pm

      If Icke really believed there were shapeshifting aliens he would be crapping himself i am sure. He just seems too damned happy about it all. You are correct about the money angle. Please send me money or the site will have to shut down. Now i’m sure i have heard that before somewhere.

  5. musicis2words said, on December 21, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Such is the case with most of the those in the so-called “truth movement”, not just those you’ve mentioned… many are gnostics who believe that victims of mind control deserve it. They are just another part of the new age movement.
    Notice how the ones who “make it” & are able to sell those big tickets are those with pleasant voices…. Sometimes, they will even call themselves out. I heard one of them (not the 2 you mention here) speak of the “honey-mouth”… comparing it to Saruman from Lord of the Rings, as in “Do not let him speak, he will put a spell on us”.

  6. Jo said, on December 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    I like to think of myself as a reasonably intelligent person and I’ve gleaned a lot of useful stuff from Icke. He may be a BS merchant but I don’t think he is a stupid. Far from it. He is/was adept at mixing large dollops of valid info in with small dribbles of alien/reptilian/hollow moon cr**p.

    Personally I regard Icke as a Pied Piper whose given role was to lead a growing crowd of folk with enquiring minds to a poisoned well.

    This may be naively optimistic but I see a snag here: Many people have upgraded their filtration systems recently and are more capable (on the whole) than they used to be of sifting all kinds of information, incorporating the good bits and spewing out the bad.

    The TPV fiasco has no doubt caused a mass credibility loss among the Icke acolytes, as he must have known it would. A lot of donators in particular must seriously hate his guts now.

    This is looking like the culmination of a 20-year project for Davey Boy – and you have to wonder, was it (or will it be) worth it?

    • spartacus said, on December 22, 2013 at 2:50 am

      Who do you think is running Icke Jo? It is obvious to me that those of us with enquiring minds, would be attracted to conspiracy theories, because they are intriguing and are a puzzle that needs to be solved. What i have found though, is a hall of mirrors with absolutely no answers.
      I am starting to believe that the AM is beginning to make the MSM look good.

  7. Paul said, on December 21, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Good point about the devotees of these new prophets suffering from some form of mental illness, even though that illness may not be (one of) the psychopathic, and so more identifiable forms. A lot of these new disciples might have some of the ‘truth’ sussed out (whatever that is and let’s say 5% and so like Icke himself) and it’s doubtless that correct degree of realisation, along with the crushing realities and injustices of modern life which has caused a mental imbalance in the first place. I mean, after all, isn’t everyone at least mentally assaulted by the situation we have in this country? Some people, whilst feeling the anguish are more resilient to side-effects and long-term damage (to any trauma) than others may be.

    These people might be ‘US’, the more pragmatic and rational even though we may still have ‘woken up’. For the slavish devotees of the new ‘truth-seekers’ however – they never knew when to put the brake on, where exactly to cut through the crap, how not to be swayed along with ‘cool-sounding’ and radical ideas. Throw in a bit of the occult and weird history and you have a cult of your own.

    That’s what Icke has done, whether knowingly or not (hmm). That’s what his most fervent devotees have taken on board, whether knowingly or not – and you can bet your last quid that most all of them don’t know it at all! That’s the real proof. If a man cannot self-analyse now and again and cannot identify that some basic human impulses might be at play, then such a man might be said to have psychological flaws and be led astray. If we’re honest, a lot of these people ‘believe’ most of the more outlandish stuff (lizards, aliens, magic) not because it’s necessarily true but more because they REALLY WANT IT to be true. By now, their world view is become more like a LOTR type-scenario every day – to use a crude analogy.

    The devotees are just using Icke and Jones, by now, as the figureheads of their own, obviously strong, religious impulses. In the absence of religion organised for them, they have formed one of their own and because it’s marvellously slanted against the traditional, organised religions (mainly Xtianity), it also fulfills the radical in them. Many of them may claim they’re on the ‘Freeman, Libertarian, traditional, tribal (take your pick) pathway and have ‘opened their eyes’. In truth, most of them are swayed by much the same Marxist-inspired, counter-culture radicalism of their baby-boomer parents. Most of the most fervent Icke devotees are Gen X remember. They’re the ones with still enough energy and zeal, and not young enough to be totally dumbed-down on Facebook. The Boomers meanwhile are mostly failing though enough of them are still around with some of them forming part of this strange new cabal we see among us.

    The new ‘truth-seeking’ in it’s extreme forms, is quite like a lot of the anti-religious, spiritualist and other occult leanings that began in the late Victorian era and into the 20th Century, culminating (so we thought) in the glorious counter-culture of the post-war West. And yet this ‘truth-seeking’ is anti-occult (Dubya and the Queen are in occult-based….er, cults don’t you know?) and anti religion (organised) at the same time.

    It’s marvellous. It’s both anti-religious AND anti-anti-religious cults. And anti-occult, all at the same time. At this same time however, the very mention of the occult and religion gives the whole movement that frisson of excitement and mystery. There’s enough that could be said to be ‘sci-fi’ in there as well, to appeal to the more ‘square-knuckled’ and less ‘Elvish’ among them. And the Knights Templar are involved remember – it’s bloody marvellous.

    And so, out of the ashes of religion, and out of the ashes of the occult ……………. they have formed a new cult! Absolutely voila and QED. You will find, talking to these kind of people, that they mention religion more than Religion mentions religion. And they harp on about the occult more than Aleister Crowley ever mentioned it. It’s obvious where they’re at.

    I know two or three slavish types myself (which is a lot among what’s at best a couple of dozen ‘mates’) and from previously sound foundations, they’ve taken the ball and run with it so far they’re now definitely in another ball park altogether. Somewhere along the way, they never stopped to think. Some (in fact very much everything) of what they now say is so far-blown that the transformation is pretty damned startling if you hold the present model up to the previous. And that’s not to say then that I’m a ‘sheeple’ – which is exactly what they would say. You see, they even have their own blasphemies and accusations (of heresy you could say). I’m ‘woken up’, but – you guessed it – I won’t have woken up enough – according to them – and their prophets Icke and Jones.

    As an example, I saw a slavish type the other day and, being of that time of year approaching …….. Winter Solstice, we got onto the subject of Christmas! Yikes! And Christmas carols being played in supermarkets. Or rather not because of offending Muslims, or Leftists – or more likely because of the extortionate stealth taxes that supermarkets must pay just to play music on their own premises (another abominable leftist idea). From there, Shane McGowan and Kirsty McColl were mentioned (they did that Xmas song some years ago remember).

    “She’s dead now you know?”, says the slavish one.

    “Oh yes, so I recall”, says I. I knew what was coming next.

    “Dodgy business that”.

    “Yes. Could have just been an accident though, tragic of course”

    “Hah – there are no such things as accidents – you know that”

    Do I? It’s news to me. I’ve had a few accidents in my time, mostly minor or at best median, thankfully. Seems like they were all at the behest and control of the ‘elites’, after all. I kept quiet.

    “what about Shane McG? Is he still alive?”, asked the slavish one.

    “Er, I think so”, says I. Oh dear………………..

    Dodgy that is. I mean, how come he is alive, but she isn’t? What is it that HE knows?”

    “What!!!? Are you really saying it would be better off if SMcG was dead?” I wasn’t standing for it to that degree.

    “Er, er, obviously not. But there’s something dodgy going on”.

    In that, he was absolutely correct, in maybe the only moment of clarity he uttered throughout!

    It also caused me to wonder if there wasn’t also some latent (and additionally unrecognised and unknown) strain of feminist influence in there. Resurrect Kirsty Mc C but at the expense of Shane McG. It’s worth considering because anything is possible with BBs and Gen X folk.

    It might just be good old-fashioned chivalry however. Or it could be our old friend The Angel of Death. Takes one soul in exchange for another. And it is a marvellously occultish idea too.

    Anyway, after all that, I would say keep your eye on a growing number of quite seriously disturbed, white, Anglo-Saxon males on your radar. Many of them are approaching a melt-down or ‘Armageddon’ moment.

  8. Hector Vector said, on December 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    I read on another post a comparison with WWF wrestlers and have long since viewed the in fighting between certain personalities in the same way as the extra-stadia bickering of the faux fighters (I only know this because my moronic ex-brother-in-law was a devotee). It’s identical to the phoney politics which passes for democracy.

    Anybody who has ever had their own business or studied marketing will know what a USP is, a unique selling proposition. Well, I think that professional conspiracy theorists have their own USPs but in their case, it stands for unique sticking point. With Icke, it’s obviously lizards, with Jones, it’s his unquestioning support of Israel, with Rense, it’s his unquestioning blame for everything on the Jews.

    Without these USPs, there may be a slight possibility that the dissenting masses could unite against their oppressors but instead we have caricatures who play up for the camera, pouting and flexing their dogma.

    It’s pretty pathetic and ultimately tragic that if these egotists put aside their divisional peculiarities, most of their followers might do likewise but forums are full of squabbling over relative pettiness whilst those who pull the strings from the capstone have a simple agenda on which they agree.

  9. SPARTACUS said, on December 21, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    I think the only intelligent response to these two jerks is to ignore them completely imho. I would say the same about most of the so called “alternative media” to be honest. It is one big racket in my experience, with people making money off the backs of the gullible at every turn.

    • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 2:29 am

      I agree with you completely, though there are some good sites like Amy Goodman/Democracy Now, even though she is a bit of a hippie. She produces good content. Part of the reason mainstream media is so good is that it has access to the establishment and is shaped by it and has access. Everyone who is not a part of the establishment is merely speculating at what is going on or extrapolating from crumbs. You have got to be an insider to get good info. At least when you watch the mainstream media, you can intuitively sense what it really going on, by reading between the lines. I’m done with AJ and DI who spout uneducated, misinformed misinformation. I’m embarrassed I ever took them seriously.

      • spartacus said, on December 22, 2013 at 3:06 am

        I have heard Goodman is a gatekeeper. I wish i was better at reading between the lines, i guess i just dont have the intellect to do it. I always seem to add 2+2 and come up with 6.
        Dont be embarrassed Kate, a lot of very intelligent people seem to have been taken in by those two.

      • John said, on December 22, 2013 at 10:14 am

        “there are some good sites like Amy Goodman/Democracy Now, even though she is a bit of a hippie. She produces good content. Part of the reason mainstream media is so good is that it has access to the establishment and is shaped by it and has access.”

        Are you being serious?!!! Amy Goodman is a slicker, more professional, better funded version of Icke and Jones. Democracy Now… they’re taking the piss. It’s the same as The People’s Voice. Who voted for Amy Goodman to be democracy’s representative? Google “media gatekeepers”, for lots of info on how gatekeeping works.

        The MSM is total bullshit. Their trick (which is why Icke is trying to copy them), is to appear impartial, authoritative and professional. It’s easier to con millions of people using good looking actors, broadcasting from multi-million dollar studios, using the latest technology. Which is why people fall for it… that guy on TV wouldn’t lie.. would he?

        Finding the truth isn’t easy. There are no gurus. There are no one-stop sites where you can find all the truth. Even the honest sites/bloggers can get things wrong. You have to use critical thinking, logic and common sense and find your own truth from multiple sources. It’s a slog, that’s why most people give up and rely on gurus or the MSM.

        Bottom line, the MSM and ‘respectable’ AM e.g. Democracy Now, Counterpunch, Huffington Post etc are all gatekeepers and no different from buffoons like Icke and Jones. The only difference is presentation, but destination is the same… to lead you up a blind alley. Thanks for you time.

        • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 3:55 pm

          I don’t hold AG as any sort of paragon, just that her news is a bit more informative and more professionally delivered. I expect that her show is what DI aspires to. I get my information from numeorus sources. I know that AG is a close friend of Bill Moyers, a liberal propagandist who bemoans cronyism while being a crony himself, He was a speechwriter for LBJ and earned milions of dollars from taxpayers for his PBS shows. Like Icke and other “gurus,” Moyers tried his own version of reality with Campbell — in “Power of Myth.” Of course, AG uses her show to promote her books and other mechandise for the sheeple.

  10. SPARTACUS said, on December 21, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    I have to say, i am getting sick and tired of the so called alternative media. Everyone seems to have an agenda. After years of visiting loads of different sites, i am still none the wiser as to what is really going on in the world. Some say it’s the Jews who are taking over the world. Others the Illuminati, or the Jesuits, communists, bolshevic, chinese, reptilian aliens, assorted aliens, American government, The bankers, Vatican, and many many more you will have heard it all i am sure.
    Now, it cannot be all of the above, but i am coming around to believe it is NONE of the above. I understand this belief will not go down well with a lot of so called awake persons. In my opinion these people are not as awake as they would like to believe.
    I just see what could be described as a kind of mass hysteria going on, with paranoia everywhere. Not on this blog i have to say, but i have seen it almost everywhere else.
    And before anyone tells me to type in Illuminati backwards to see where it leads, i do know that it leads to the C.I.A. I think it is one of their little jokes, but there again, gawd knows.

    • Kate said, on December 21, 2013 at 9:45 pm

      I think someone created a website with the word Illuminati backwards and that redirected people to that site when they clicked on it. I doubht the CIA would bother with such stupidity….

      • Hector Vector said, on December 21, 2013 at 11:50 pm

        Yes, it had me for a second – it’s owned by somebody in Provo Utah called John Fenley but then again, that’s 20 miles from where the NSA is based – and 40 miles from the HQ of Family Search the genealogical division of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City which has (according to them) the largest collection of genealogical and historical records in the world with three billion names. Do you think that the NSA and Family Search may have a common interest?

        But do you know who owns the domain

        • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 12:13 am

          Interesting connection, but then consider that the Mormon church has largely been marginalized — and prior to Mitt Romney, it was thought that a Mormon could not possibly be President or part of the “Establishment.” NSA and Family Search…for information gathering. But NSA/CIA was primarily concerned with intelligence on other elites and power players not the average citizen. Not sure on who owns the domain name — Mon is French for “My” and Satan, well, is Satan…so presumably someone affiliated with Satanists?

      • spartacus said, on December 22, 2013 at 1:22 am

        The C.I.A. have done a lot of stupid things in their history though, but i’m sure you are right.

  11. Kate said, on December 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Integrity is basically about having your words match your actions. In my dealings with Icke, I have seen an extremely disorganized and dysfunctional man. He has made promises he had not fulfilled. He says one thing, does another. Is this man mentally ill or just supremely disorganized? Honestly, I cannot bring myself to watch TPV — it all seems so unprofessional and the people he has recruited are not up to snuff. I think the guy is a fraud. Alex Jones is a fraud too. Both of these hucksters are trying to make money by tapping into the concerns of the public to sell books — all great hucksters pursue this same strategy — write books, make outrageous claims, hit the TV shows (or build your own), and then promote your brand through blogs, forums, and speaking engagements, which you use to sell more books.

    I expect TPV will fail, if it hasn’t already. These people are so patheticaly incompetent and unprofessional, it isn’t even funny. Icke is a liar and therefore obviously a conman. Otherwise he just mentally ill. He offers no viable solutions, and if he were sincere, why wouldn’t he be engaging others with truth, patience, and kindness. Why the hell is he on TPV spouting his theories and begging for money instead of running TPV and making sure it’s done properly?

    While TPV is falling apart, people are quitting, etc., he is busy spouting on with RIchie Allen for hours. How does he have time? He doesn’t give a damn about his staff, the volunteers but is busily lining his own pocket and fulfilling his dream of being perpetually on TV by having made his own TV station. With his station falling apart, David is most concern with getting more face time.

    I expect that TPV will reveal Icke to be the fraud he is.

    • earthlinggb said, on December 22, 2013 at 5:51 pm

      What were your dealings with Icke Kate? And who are those who are quitting now?

      • Kate said, on December 23, 2013 at 12:14 am

        Let’s just say not positive, Earthling. What I read here confirms everything everyone else has said and suspicions I began to have. I will leave it at that. I am beyond disgusted, angry even with Icke.

        • spartacus said, on December 23, 2013 at 6:16 pm

          I think we might have to waterboard you

          • Kate said, on December 28, 2013 at 10:00 pm

            Where’s Rumsfeld when you need him! LOL

  12. Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 12:05 am

    I watched David Icke on the Fern Britton show. He is truly a paranoid schizophrenic and mentally ill person. I think some of what he says is true, but he is deluded in thinking he “the son of Godhead.” Much of what he is saying is just a repackaging of “The Secret.” Yet, uneducated DI thinks he is unique in coming to understanding the link between mind and one’s reality. The guy is deluded by and large and hopelessly detached from reality. Comparing who he is now with who he is now — he is angrier, more mentally unstable — even his facial expressions reflect mental illness and anguish. Why isn’t he a person at peace and balance. He is a mentally ill narcissist. I am embarrassed I ever followed him or had any association. I think his chaotic unfurling of TPV reflects his disorganized thinking/mental illness…I think this is the only way he can earn a living….by exploiting the gullibility of others. True, some of what he is saying is true — about elites and bloodlines — but by and large, this guy is a complete mental case. Anyone who associates with this loser is committing professional suicide…..Thanks for this site, Earthling….I hope this psycho is expose for who/what he is….He is a liar, a fraud, and scarily mentally unbalanced person and narcissist.

    • spartacus said, on December 22, 2013 at 1:48 am

      I have experience of mentally ill people, and i have to say Icke is definately mentally ill. I can also see it in his facial expressions like you say. I have seen it in a lot of patients, it does’nt sound very professional to diagnose someone like that but i hope people will understand what i mean
      He really should seek medical help, but i know he wont. He is too deluded and like you have observed hopelessly detached from reality.
      I cannot help wondering if his son Gareth has been affected by the constant crazy bullshit that must have been rammed down his throat all his life.

      • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 2:34 am

        I know what you mean. Our thought processes are recorded on our faces. Icke is clearly not a man at peace. I just read an article about his divorce from his second wife, Pam. Seems he is all about building a financial empire through his conspiracy nonsense, and given his mental illness, this is really the only path open to him. Gosh that sounds harsh.

        Poor Gareth, but Dave is his Dad’s son and probably sees all the BS as the norm. Isn’t Gareth also a host for Icke’s global phone in. Is he a musician or talk show host? Gareth should seek counseling. I cannot imagine it is easy having a father with mental illness — which is as much genetic and it is hereditary.

        • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 2:35 am

          oops *Dad not *Dad’s son

  13. Will said, on December 22, 2013 at 11:31 am

    What’s with all the anti-Semitic references at the following points (approx) in the slides:


    Also, the charge that seems to be implied in the slides accompanying the Atlantean Conspiracy’s commentary is that that David Icke is not anti-Semitic enough is belied by his obsessive focus on “Rothschild Zionists” and the fact that in recent years he has given more rather than less attention to the whole issue of Israel, Zionism and Jews in general putting them at the centre of his meta-conspioracy. Most of his recent books have numerous chapters blaming everything on the Rothschilds, “Rothschild Zionists”, even the holocaust (a sidestep from his dabbling in holocaust denial in the 1990s) was the caused by a “Jewish clique”, whilst trying prove a lot of powerful people are secretly Jewish.

    I agree with Earthlings general criticism of Icke and Jones as outlined above, but among the many, many things I find objectionable in Icke’s conspiratorial smorgasbord, is his anti-Semitism. That in itself is reason enough, but it embodies his entire fact-free corpus. He accuses the Rothschilds (i.e. the Jews) of countless crimes, but without any evidence; “Rothschild Zionist” is a substitute for Jew although it is sometimes applied to people who are neither Jewish nor Zionist, though Icke will refer to some obscure but dubious source that will claim that they are secretly Jewish (but not it’s not about the Jews). Icke’s basic maxim is that not a all Jews are involved in the conspiracy, but his dog-whistle is that nearly all the conspirators are Jews.

    I don’t like what Israel is doing in the West Bank or to Gaza, or to its Bedouin. Or that the US supports its criminal actions. And I think the Israel Lobby is effective in shaping and influencing US foreign policy in the Middle East to protect Israel. That can be demonstrated. But I don’t think the Jews are out to control the world or that they do now. Aside from the empricial gaps (or gaping holes) in such claims, such theories have ugly origins and have had uglier and bloody consequences.

    • spartacus said, on December 22, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      Will, Have you ever come across a guy by the name Jonas E Alexis. He writes for a site in the US called Veterans Today. He has done extensive research on Jewish history and is quite scathing of the Jews. Every thing he says is backed up with references by the barrow load. He is a devout christian and extremely intelligent, and he strikes me as an honest and sincere man. This does not make him right of course, i was just wondering what you or anyone else would make of him.
      I must warn you though the site appears to be very anti-jewish, despite them claiming to have jewish people on the staff. The senior editor is jewish himself funnily enough, erm————We have had a few barneys tbh and the git banned me for speaking my mind about a few things lol, story of my life.
      Anyway, i dont trust the site in general, but Alexis does stand out. I cant comment on the above video yet as i have somehow missed it so far, but i can say that i dont believe the Jews are actually semites, my studies indicate that the palestinians are the real semites. Not sure though tbh.

      • Will said, on December 24, 2013 at 10:59 am

        Spartacus, thanks for the Joans E Alexis reference. I’ve had a quick look, and though well referenced, his work betrays a curious obsession with Jews that probably exceeds their actual power and influence, and assumes a level of cohesion that their community actually lacks.

    • earthlinggb said, on December 22, 2013 at 5:49 pm

      Will, a “Rothschild Zionist” is not code for “jew”. It is what it is – a zionist. While I sincerely go a step further and have stated time and again that there are two types of “zionist”. There is the one which purely means the political belief in having a homeland for the jews (a racist thing in of itself which cannot be dismissed) and then there are the real nasty zionists who simply use the former as a tool and a cloak and are, in my view, a subset of a higher power which is vatican/jesuit connected. Rothschild and clan are part of the latter. However, my own issue with jews on the whole is their constant bleating about how badly they’ve been treated by almost every nation and people down through the millennia and I ask a very simple thing: Why would this be? Why would entirely disparate cultures and peoples hate jews so fervently for all this time and banish them time and again? Totally disparate cultures and peoples all across the world have done this throughout the ages. Why? Every one of them just decided one day that they hated jews? Makes no logical sense. These people need to look in the mirror and ask themselves why.
      Further, the protocols of zion are, in no way, a “hoax”. I am NOT saying they were necessarily written by jews (although they refer to themselves in it as such. I believe that could well have been another ‘cloak’ to obscure the real writers of these protocols) but no-one can say that something which is dated back in the later 19th century and is so prescient of the world throughout the next century up to the present day, is a hoax document. That is sheer stupidity to believe that. What puzzles me is that, instead of the jews saying “we didn’t write it”, they have gone to such lengths to demonise something which is so obviously prescient and real as an “anti semitic forgery” while this “anti semitism” thing is such hokum in of itself! These “jews” in Palestine are caucasian people! Semites were arabs.

      • Will said, on December 24, 2013 at 11:18 am

        Earthling I have got to disagree with you on what Icke really means by “Rothschild Zionist” for a host of reasons. It is a substitute for “Jew”:

        First, in his “Guide to the Global Conspiracy”, Icke does not use the RZ term, but after explaining that the Ashkenazi Jews are not really semitic he uses the term “Khazar-Sumerian” or vice versa for the explicit purpose of identifying Jews.

        Second, but in “Human Race”, he drops that term and instead concocts “Rothschild Zionists”, which he claims covers both Jews and non-Jewish supporters of something called “Rothschild Zionism” and which is also a “secret society”, though he never provides any evidence for the existence of this “secret society”. However “Rothschild Zionism” apparently counts as its bible the “Babylonian Talmud” (p.99).

        Third, of the 91 RZ identfied in Human Race (yes I counted them), all but a handful are Jews, or appear to have identifying as such on the presumption that they are, based on their names. No evidence is presented of their membership in the aforementioned “RZ” “secret society”, let alone their views on Zionism.

        Finally, Icke goes out of his way to try to provide in his Guide, Human Race and Remember Who You Are many ostensibly non-Jewish RZs are actually secret Jews or of Jewish ancestry.

        Then, despite all his it’s not a jewish conspiracy thing, there’s his entire focus on zionism.

        The Protocols of Zion are a hoax. They are a merging of two documents:

        Source material for the forgery consisted jointly of Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu or Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, an 1864 political satire by Maurice Joly[4] and a chapter from Biarritz, an 1868 novel by the antisemitic German novelist Hermann Goedsche, which had been translated into Russian in 1872.

        Joly’s satire is just prescient.

        The widespread hatred of Jews does not make it right.

        • Hector Vector said, on December 24, 2013 at 4:57 pm

          I can only speak for myself but when I hear people say that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are a hoax or a forgery, I wonder what point they are trying to make.

          You see when I see how Israel persecutes the Palestinians but responds to any criticism with accusations of anti-Semitism or by saying, ‘but remember the suffering of the Jews in the Holocaust’, I know how subtle and insidious are those who manipulate.

          Whether or not there is any tangible link between the authors of tPotLEoZ and Judaism or Zionism is pretty immaterial. Whether it is a single document or a composite is immaterial. It is a document which many regard as a de facto blueprint for global control which is very much in the public domain yet any reference to it as such is met with repugnance.

          Pretty clever, huh!

          • Will said, on December 28, 2013 at 11:12 pm

            A fair question Hector. The point one is trying to make is that the protocols are not are record of a plan agreed to by a cabal of Jewish elders, but are a demonstrable fabrication that was created by merging the two aforementioned documents for the alleged purpose of propagating anti-semitism. The tsarist secret police are accused of being behind it.

            As a consequence the validity of the protocols as: (a) evidence of a Jewish plan; and (b) evidence of an elite blueprint for global control are in doubt. As I noted before there is obviously some value in Joly’s satire of Napoleon III which makes up the bulk of the protocols, and perhaps in the cynicism about politics promoted by the tsarist secret police, but not much more…

            As for the Israel angle. Yes Israel’s defenders do throw around the anti-semitism accusation to smear critics and shut down debate. I would not dispute that for one moment. Norman Finkelstein has done some carefully argued work on that. But let’s not be naive: the Holocaust did happen and left deep scars and some of Israel’s critics are confirmed Jew-haters, but that’s no justification for what they are doing in West Bank. I just don’t think the “Zionists” are out to control the world.

            • earthlinggb said, on December 29, 2013 at 4:09 pm

              “The holocaust did happen”. I’m not convinced. Further, even if it did, how many others lost their lives? Further again, what about the transfer agreement? The “jews” actually saw an opportunity to create Israel on the blood of these “jews” (or on the manufactured media hype of it all). I get sick to the stomach the number of times I hear “jews” going on about the bloody holocaust as if only a jewish life is worth anything. And to pander to them and it is just sickening.

        • earthlinggb said, on December 24, 2013 at 6:26 pm

          You’re welcome to disagree Will.

          • Will said, on December 28, 2013 at 10:46 pm

            And it is to your credit that you are adult enough to engage with those who disagree. Which is immeasurably more than can be said for the messiah from Medina who finds disagreement intolerable and whose preferred response is combines evasion with personal abuse as Jesse Ventura discovered.

            • earthlinggb said, on December 29, 2013 at 4:04 pm

              Will, I could go on and on about “jews” all day, all week, all month. We could get into the 12 tribes of Israel, the house of Israel, the house of Judah and Judea – 3 totally separate things. The houses having nothing to do with Judea as a secular-style nation or country composed of all “houses and all different types of people like the UK is today. Do we call ourselves “The house of Britannia”? No.
              I could also point to Old testament stuff such as Isaiah which, when you read it, you simply say “Holy shit!”. I could then point to the House of Rothschild (interesting they refer to it as a “house” isn’t it?) and masses of my own research through parliamentary archives etc which clearly demonstrate that “house” demanded a different treatment to all other parliamentarians of the time (and still does). I could discuss Rothschild’s setting up of Israel and their funding of the whole thing. I could go on an on about them alone yesterday and today. I could then point to the FACT that these “jews” all around the world propagandise themselves as “God’s chosen” plus that they are all “geniuses” and that is why (which they freely admit to themselves) they are in massive positions of power, influence and have exceptional talents in everything from musicianship to scientific endeavours. Let’s of course, ignore banking and business – but you simply can’t. From Alan Greenspan to Ben Bernanke – “jews” to Lloyd Blankfein doing “God’s work”. It goes on and on and on. I could then turn to pornography – another massively controlled business by “jews”. Music and entertainment plus media – “jews”. Yes there are others in the mix and I am not of the opinion, entirely, that “jews” are the top of the tree (although they may be but it doesn’t really matter who is when one thinks about how simply it can all be stopped no matter what religion or race – “jew” or jesuit).
              The protocols, whether or not they have been fashioned by way of taking elements of other works and whether or not they have been written for the purpose of creating an “anti semitic” document, nevertheless are prescient of the next 100 years (and ongoing) of history and every facet of them is seen today. Now whether they are a “forgery” (as the “jews” state) or not – a “forgery” from the perspective as you state from Wikipedia that they have been based on other works) is neither here nor there. They could have been written by the jesuits or anyone and to hide the real writers’ identity and put the focus on “jews”, they used terms like “goyim” and referred to themselves as “jews” – I don’t know the answer to that BUT, when you look at all the areas of control from money to media etc and you look at where the world is heading under such control, then you simply cannot ignore the points in the protocols and the connection with Rothschild. Rockefeller (a baptist), the British monarchy and other monarchies and the myriad of “jews” who form this “grid” of control.
              You are very welcome to do so. I won’t. I’ve spent far more time than probably anyone who comes to this blog researching this. It’s unfortunate in some ways that I have but it is just a fact. I believe there is a form of “war” between the elite factions but I can say this: I want neither christianity (in the catholic sense) nor judaism or islam to win this battle meanwhile it is by far the “jews” who disgust me the most. “Jews” in inverted commas because I tend to agree with the Churchill statement that they are “International atheist jews”. You may notice that a vast amount of them preach they do not practice their religion.

  14. Jo said, on December 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    I haven’t a clue Spartacus. Some new boss who is basically the same as the old boss??
    The AM is a hall of mirrors for sure and I agree with you that it’s turning out to be more full of crap than the MSM in some ways, certainly less professionally presented.
    The media is all wheels within wheels and all about control basically.
    The truth can be found but it seems you have to dig, sweat, keep your wits sharp and use some intuition.
    Once aware you can’t responsibly give up though, can you?

  15. Marko said, on December 22, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    I honestly thought the reptilian thing was some kind of get out clause. Bare with me. I thought that the man speaketh so much truth that the powers that be would have been threatened and so he put a little trap door in his argument so no one could take him seriously. Very clever! He only went up in my estimation. Then again, if you think that’s bad, I did try to vote once for Maggie Thatcher – Milk Snatcher. Thankfully, I was too stupid to carry out this heinous act.

    We all come to our senses eventually.

    I’ve done some bad things in my life – I’m no angel that’s for sure.

  16. Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Anyone know what this Gaim (occult/earth goddess) TV is? You can watch David blather on for a “fee.”

    David’s goal all along was to make money for David.

    I expect he saw how much money Alex Jones was making and wanted to cash in.

    As for Icke being smart, doesn’t his wikipedia entry state that he has pretty much “Failed” at everything prior to this conspiracy racket.What’s smart about him? He’s a great, entertaining talker but so is the homeless man down the street. He jumps to wrong conclusions, spreads misinformation, and launched his new station with all the competence of a buffoon.

    • Marko said, on December 22, 2013 at 4:23 pm

      I love all this Dave bashing. In real life, if someone gossips about a friend, I think less of them. But here on the internet, I feel like I have found my arch nemesis – and they must be destroyed! It’s all good fun. 🙂

      It’s interesting though, watching people really wake up and see the shit veil before their eyes.

      Icke plays a classic guru game. I admire him. I saw Osho do it. Thou shalt not even think of questioning me! I saw others do it too. Lesser gurus. But big in their field. I might act like a bit of a prick sometimes. I try not to. But when I do, and earthlinggb lets it through his filters. Well I wish he wouldn’t. But who is he to control my behaviour. We all have faults. Little bits that can be tickled by fear or hate. Bits that get exaggerated when we have had too much to drink.

      Alex Jones is a Blow Hard.

      Do you know what AJ and DI remind me of?

      I know a guy that is a biker. Did 20 years in jail for killing 3 people. Alpha Male.
      And I know another guy that is King of his Castle.
      They don’t get on.
      They don’t fight each other, coz that would mean certain death, or prison.
      They avoid each other.
      They hate each other.
      They have an agreement.
      All the other beta males have to eat shit around them.
      But those two.. they just crack on..

      Did I make my point?
      Maybe not.
      I did try ;-).

    • earthlinggb said, on December 22, 2013 at 4:56 pm

      Do you actually subscribe to him being a “great” entertaining talker? I actually never did. I could never for a moment consider sitting through 7, 8 or 9 hours of him talking in one go. It just wouldn’t happen. I could take about an hour or two at a stretch and only because I was listening to information. His “jokes” are really pathetic and he gets away with them because the people going to his shows/talks want to like him and give him support. And he’s fricking repetitive!

      • Marko said, on December 22, 2013 at 6:18 pm

        Repetition is key. Hypnotism. Credo Mutwa. I loved all that shit.

        It’s academic now. The world is at war. And the jig is up.

        I think David is a very convincing speaker. If I met him one on one. Then again he would just have to dominate the situation, whilst not being an alpha male, so he would run away. I am not an alpha male, but I don’t let anyone less than the biggest baddest alpha male dominate me, and I don’t like it, but what can you do? DI would not dominate me. I’d put him in his place. I’ve dealt with bigger and badder bastards than him. He would sulk like a little girl and go scuttling to the bushes.

        Then again, he does that with anyone who asks him a question.

        • earthlinggb said, on December 22, 2013 at 6:24 pm

          Oh I can assure you David Icke is no “alpha male”. 🙂
          And imagine saying “world” with no “o” but using the pronunciation of the letter “r” so “wrld” if that makes sense (which it probably doesn’t it). Like “whirled” but without the “h”. Wirld. Oh christ! I dunno! Let’s call it the globe! Or planet or Terra or Gaia. I’ll stay away from world!

          • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 7:35 pm

            He reminds me of someone I worked for who constantly promoted himself as an “expert” while weaving spirituality into his message to add to his appeal. Privately he was a predator, but like Icke, he was all about himself. If you watch David Icke, he talks over EVERYONE and just runs off at the mouth. Compare him to say, Carl Sagan, who was passionate about the Cosmos and sought to educate others. He listened, intuited, and understood. He was on a journey.

            Icke comes across as a desperate mansteam rolling over everyone to get his way and make a fortune. The fact he is constantly promoting himself and Gareth says everything. His ex wife is his business manager. They are making all the money.

        • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 7:52 pm

          In every conversation I have seen televised of him, he is talking all over the guy and sucking the energy out of the room. His interviewer can’t even think straight because David is running off at the mouth. A good dialog would involve give and take. In that sense, he is an Alpha, just like Jones dominated Piers Morgan by running all over him, David runs over everyone in every discussions he is in. I wouldn’t put up with being talked over like that either David is communicating to everyone else, “What I am saying is so much more important than what you think.” If David pulled that on me, I’d walk out of the conversation. People like that are energy vampires….Why does he vomit his words over everyone? I thought he was supposed to be so spiritual. As someone else said, he fashions himself as a guru, and I’m not interested in being his acolyte. God help those who are. This is a very disturbed man.

          Earthling, in post you mentioned that Icke projects onto others what he is himself. I remember this Icke quote: “My car! My house! My career! My money! Me me me! It’s all about me!” — He said that mocking others.

          What a tool this guy is.

      • Kate said, on December 22, 2013 at 7:41 pm

        Ok, well “great” — in the sense that he can command an audience. He isn’t a shrinking violet. He has strong stage presence, because he is so driven, aggresssive, and “on.” I would never pay to listen to him for eight hours. His jokes are lame because hes not really that bright or well educated or sophisticated. He is a former foot baller/BBC “presenter.” I guess what I was trying to say about being a talker….Obama, who is VERY ANALTYICAL, is also convincing talker, but is all style, no substance. These people can convince you (or at least the masses) of the merit of their arguments because they SOUND INTELLIGENT even though they are idiots. I guess I put Icke in that category. Great talker — like has the gift of gab/good BSer/can entertain the masses/draw a crowd, but little of value. Contrary to what DI thinks, most well educated people already know about the elite agenda. It’s taught at universities. You can read the plans at Chatham House/CFR — in publications, books. There is no mystery to any of this. Icke didn’t discover anything new beyond his weird reptilian thing which appears to have come from his hearing voices – or what I would like to cal his mental disorder.

      • John said, on December 23, 2013 at 10:56 am

        Earthing, I think you might enjoy this 😉

    • GW said, on January 1, 2014 at 2:48 am

      TPV were visited by ofcom just b4 xmas. DI apparently pulled some freeman bullshit and invited them on air, They of course declined and left.

  17. Sabre said, on December 25, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    For high quality intel try abeldanger dott nett.

  18. Gene said, on May 2, 2014 at 9:23 am

    ‘seanx’ is likely DI on his own web site. Check him out.

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