Earthling

VIVISECTION: Far more than an animal rights issue!

Posted in Uncategorized by earthling on November 30, 2009

This section is intended to be read in order that the sinister implications of animal experiments upon the whole of mankind are thoroughly understood. I am aware, from personal experience of street campaigning for animal rights issues, that many people who care passionately about animals find it simply too distressing to see or read any form of evidence to this effect. Consequently, I have chosen not to give
practical details about individual animal experiments in the coming discourse. Instead I will focus upon the scientific fraud perpetrated by vivisectors and how their warped ethos that vivisection is a valuable scientific tool has corrupted the progress of medicine and upset the delicate balance of the minds of millions world-wide. I seek to show how vivisection is an integral part of the manipulation of society (the vivisectors themselves being amongst the most completely manipulated of all) by the very same consciousness and indeed the very same people I have already discussed.
Nothing is worse than vivisection! No other single factor causes more pain, distress and death to humans and animals.
Nor is there any less scientific or ethical method of research currently being employed in industry or educational establishments anywhere in the world.
Unless you have read the books and seen the video footage which I and thousands of other anti-vivisection campaigners have been required to endure, nothing in your imagination can paint for you anything like the true picture of the hell of animal experiments. In fact, if you can conjure up the most heinous spectacle of abuse within your mind, be assured that this is precisely what is being done today, but probably much worse, around the world in schools, universities and research labs owned by private companies – and then some. It is being done with our money, and in order to provide huge mega-wealthy pharmaceutical companies with staggering profit and as an excuse to provide jobs for vivisectors. It is also perpetuated to ensure that mankind never becomes learned about the true nature, cause and cure of disease.
Two thousand animals per minute die as a result of gruesome experiments; that is 250 million per year; approximately 3.5 million per year in Great Britain alone. Over 75% of these experiments are done without anaesthetics, and when they are, they are often inadequately applied. Most experiments are done with public money. 0.2% of the animals used are for the testing of cosmetics. In Britain there are merely
19 Home Office inspectors to cover 20,000 licensed vivisectors.
The practise of animal experimentation has been the mainstay of medical and biological research since the early 1800s even though it has brought about not one major breakthrough in medical science. And yet, every medical student, in order to pass his or her exam and advance in their chosen career must quote the results of animal experiments.
How can respect for life, compassion and empathy be taught to and nurtured in our doctors through a practise which necessitates the ignorance of pain, suffering, anxiety terror and death, as is the case with the training process of US doctors who regularly dissect live animals as part of their training? The answer is simple: It can’t.
The animal experimenters are the cornerstone of the highly corrupt and manipulative pharmaceutical industry. These are a pseudo-scientific fraternity who earn vast amounts of money for their employers by performing unbelievably barbaric experiments which can be used to (falsely) substantiate claims that their drugs are safe for human use. Dr. James D. Gallagher, Director of Research of Lederle Laboratories in the Journal of the American Medical Association, March 14, 1964 stated:

‘Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value for such studies for man is meaningless – which means our research may be meaningless.’

There is no British or European law which states that new drugs, chemicals or cosmetics must be tested on animals. However, animal testing ensures that vivisectors get the results they want in order to sell their dangerous chemicals to an unwary public. In numerous legal trials of drug companies who have caused fatalities and injuries, the most effective defence which has been used time and again is that: ‘All of the usual and required testing had been done to establish the safety of the drug in question’. A standpoint which most legal authorities are not qualified to dispute. Indeed, the ‘experts’ upon whom they call for advice in such matters are invariably members of other drug companies or drug sponsored agencies and therefore the animal testing fraternity.
Animal experiments have been cited in many court battles over drugs damages claims and have been used both to defend the idea that such disasters were unforeseen because adequate testing had been employed, but have also been successfully used, as in the Thalidomide case in December 1970, to admonish the drug company (in this case Chemie Grunenthal) who testified that animal tests could never be conclusive for humans.
The very idea that a test or operation done on an animal will show results which are directly translatable to humans is plainly ridiculous. As has been stated by some of the greatest and most influential physicians in medical history: the anatomy, physiology and psychology of animals is entirely different to our own in many ways, and this difference is further exaggerated in the case of animals bred for and/or housed in laboratories. This can be plainly illustrated in many ways; here are just a few –

The LD 50 (Lethal Dose 50%) test, which is the standard toxicity technique used to establish how much of a chemical toxin is required to kill half of a number of animals. These animals are specifically bred to be exactly identical in every way, i.e. genetically and physically they are the
● same size and weight. And yet, an equivalent dose of a toxin, in equal quantity and strength will succeed in killing merely half of the batch whilst leaving half to suffer varying degrees of disablement. These results are then haphazardly translated to give the figure for safe and fatal levels for humans. There are 12 different methods which determine statistically the safety of chemicals for humans from animal experiments. These may disagree by up to a factor of four.
It is accepted that animal tests are successful in identifying cancer-causing agents in only 37% of cases. This means, in effect, that the results of the tests are more times wrong than right and are significantly statistically worse than tossing a coin.
● As stated by Hans Ruesch in The Naked Empress or the Great Medical Fraud:
‘Two grams of scopolamine kill a human being, but dogs and cats can stand hundred times higher dosages. A single Aminata phalloides mushroom can wipe out a whole human family, but is health food for the rabbit, one of the favourite laboratory animals.
A porcupine can eat one lump without discomfort as much opium as a human addict smokes in two weeks, and wash it down with as much prussic acid to poison a regiment of soldiers. The sheep can swallow enormous quantities of arsenic, once the murderer’s favourite poison. Morphine, which calms and anaesthetises man, causes maniacal excitement in cats and mice. On the other hand our sweet almond can kill foxes, our common parsley is poisonous to parrots, and our revered penicillin strikes another favourite laboratory animal dead – the guinea pig.’
● It is fortunate for many that penicillin was never tested on guinea pigs at the outset where it would have immediately been discarded as dangerous. And if you want to prove that vitamin C is useless, withhold it from the diet of dogs – which produce vitamin C in the gut. Moreover, the whole discipline of surgery and post surgical recovery was hindered for hundreds of years after the Greek Galen (Second Century AD) showed through animal experimentation that the principle laid down by Hippocrates (Fifth century BC) was incorrect – that hygiene and a good diet (as well as establishing the simple fact that nature heals) was essential to good health and medicine. Galen maintained this standpoint, which seems bizarre by today’s standards, because animals did not readily succumb to infections following childbirth and surgical procedures. Galen’s animal experiments caused a rejection of Hippocratic values and a reduction in surgical asepsis. This destructive attitude was supported by the Catholic Church and was only substantially reversed in the 1800s following the discovery of the germ and how cleanliness and sterilisation could prevent bacterial infection.
The following is a list of drugs which were passed as safe for human consumption on the back of animal tests and the damage which they subsequently caused:

Eraldin (for heart disease) – Corneal damage including blindness.

Paracetamol (painkiller) – 1,500 people had to be hospitalised in Great Britain in 1971.

Orabilex – caused kidney damages with fatal outcome.

MEL/29 (anti-hypertensive) – caused cataracts.

Methaqualone (hypnotic) – caused severe psychic disturbances leading to at least 366 deaths,
mainly through murder or suicide.

Thalidomide (tranquilliser) – caused 10,000 malformed children.

Isoproterenol (asthma) – caused 3,500 deaths in the sixties.

Stilboestrol (prostate cancer) – caused cancer in young women.

Trilergan (anti-allergic) – caused viral hepatitis.

Flamamil (rheumatism) – caused loss of consciousness.

Phenformin (diabetes) – caused 1,000 deaths annually until withdrawn.

Atromid S (cholesterol) – caused deaths from cancer, liver, gallbladder and intestinal disease.

Valium (tranquilliser) – addictive in moderate doses.

Preludin & Maxiton (diet pills) – caused serious damage to the heart and the nervous system.

Nembutal (insomnia) – caused insomnia.

Pronap & Plaxin (tranquilliser) – killed many babies.

Phenacetin (painkiller) – caused severe damages to kidneys and red blood corpuscles.

Amydopyrine (painkiller) – caused blood disease.

Marzine (nausea) – damaged children.

Reserpine (anti-hypertensive) – increased risks of cancer of the brain, pancreas, uterus, ovaries,
skin and women’s breasts.

Methotrexate (leukaemia) – caused intestinal haemorrhage, severe anaemia and rumours.

Urethane (leukaemia) – caused cancer of liver, lungs and bone marrow.

Mitotane (leukaemia) – caused kidney damage.

Cyclophosphamide (cancer) – caused liver and lung damage.

Isoniazid (tuberculosis) – caused liver destruction.

Kanamycin (tuberculosis) – caused deafness and kidney destruction.

Chloromycetin (typhoid) – caused leukaemia, cardiovascular collapse and death.

Phenolphthalein (laxative) – caused kidney damage, delirium and death.

Clioquinol (diarrhoea) – caused blindness, paralysis and death.

DES (prevent miscarriage) – caused birth defects and cancer.

Debendox (nausea) – caused birth defects.

Accutane (acne) – caused deafness and kidney destruction.

(Taken from Vivisection: Science or Sham by Dr. Roy Kupsinel, and Naked Empress by Hans Ruesch)

Vivisectors often claim credit for many advances in medicine which have been brought about by non-vivisection methods. Frequently, they will quote animal experiments which show the same results without also disclosing the pioneering previous non-animal discovery. One example of this is the case of vaccinations. Whilst it is certainly true that many diseases which have decimated mankind for centuries,
such as polio, smallpox, whooping cough, tuberculosis, diphtheria and tetanus have seen a dramatic decline over the last century or so, it is not because of the introduction of vaccinations. Figures show that such diseases were long in decline before the introduction of vaccinations and that the rate of fall was severely impeded once they were introduced. Advances in hygiene, sanitation, nutrition and wealth status are the obvious reasons for the improvement of the world’s health overall. Vaccinations are responsible for causing many of the diseases they are supposed to cure as well as compromising the immune systems of the vulnerable, especially babies who are statistically more likely to suffer Sudden Infant Death Syndrome within weeks of having their initial standard vaccinations.
The vivisectionists are master manipulators. They invest huge amounts of money in massive PR organisations such as the Research Defence Society in the UK. Furthermore, they have infiltrated many areas of the Anti-Vivisection (AV) movement and have created much confusion in the minds of the public as to the truth behind this barbaric trade in misery. An example of this was highlighted in possibly the greatest expose of vivisection industry ever written, The Slaughter of the Innocent by Hans Ruesch:
An interesting case was the Animal Protection league of Basel. Its president, Dr Rudolph Schenkel, professor of ethology, criticised the revival of antivivisectionist feeling in Switzerland. Thereafter, the establishment press could write that ‘even the animal defenders
disapprove of the antivivisectionists’ views.’ A closer look at Schenkel revealed that:
His league had received a donation of 200,000 Swiss francs (about $100,000) from Hoffman-La Roche, ‘for its animal shelter’ – with no questions asked.
1. His own wife was experimenting on animals in the endocrinology department of Ceiba-Geigy.
2. When my CIVIS organisation brought about these facts, Schenkel dropped all pretence of being an animal protectionist: at the next convention of Swiss animal protection groups (SPCAs), he argued that ‘since laboratory animals are a product of human enterprise, we can
do with them as we please.’ (My highlight added.)
(This infiltration tactic is not solely within the realms of the AV movement but is widespread throughout the animal rights movement. This is exemplified at present by the large scale enrolment of blood-sports practitioners [fox and stag hunters etc.] with the RSPCA whereby they are steadily creating a significant policy influencing force by taking advantage of the apathy of many members who do not turn out to vote upon Society matters. The RSPCA also has financial investments in companies that support vivisection.)
The smoke-screen perpetuated by vivisectors that it is preferable to test drugs on animals than on humans, and the emotive stance that ‘it’s your child or an animal’, is probably the most effective way that they ensure public support for their industry. What they always fail to say is that all drugs are tested on humans immediately after the animal trials and often without the patient’s knowledge or consent. Those that are informed of the trial are usually reassured to know that ‘animal studies have shown the drug to be safe’.
AV supporters are simply people who have come to realise the truth about this situation and have committed themselves to being a part of the process of change and reformation to abolish this massive and system of cruel fraud, both for the sake of the animals and humans. However, they are usually portrayed in the media as extremists; an inevitable side-effect of a necessary evil. Ordinary people who are deemed responsible enough to bear and raise children, minister to the sick, save lives, handle the nation’s wealth, run for political seats etc., once they have made an AV stance, are immediately demoted to, at best ‘irrational’ and ‘oversensitive’, or, at worst, ‘people-hating terrorists’ with no right to express an opinion about such matters. Once branded as such they are given about as much regard as are the animals in the laboratory cages and are made largely impotent on the political scene because MPs do not consider it a wise career move or vote winner to consort with anyone considered to be extremist.
In the case of vivisection, the public is all too willing to accept that it is a necessary part of modern progress and not really cruel at all. One reason for this is because the alternative, i.e. the truth, is almost too great a burden to accept. Such a stance is often taken in defence of one’s own sanity as a mental survival technique in order that one does not go mad with the anger, sorrow, frustration and terrible
empathy which the idea of vivisection evokes in us. Therefore, the vivisectors have yet another advantage over the masses in the battle to keep them convinced of the verity of their cause, whilst the AV organisations have to face a perpetual uphill struggle against the tide of wealth, mind control, tradition and human apathy which is forever on the side of the manipulators.
As George Bernard Shaw once stated, ‘Whoever doesn’t hesitate to vivisect will hardly hesitate to lie about it’.
By creating a ‘healthcare’ (more accurately termed ‘ill-healthcare’) system which relies upon the misleading results of animal experiments, the manipulators of this century have ensured that, within the system, the true causes and cures for disease will never be revealed. This in turn creates a self-perpetuating industry for the multinationals who, by creating disease via their drugs, can be assured of massive funding in order to discover
a) the reason for the drug error, which is guaranteed to involve further animal studies, and
b) further drugs to treat the results of the initial drug error. In the, by now, all too familiar pattern: the manipulators perpetuate the problem of a state of global ill health and therefore the need for the solution which is offered in the form of more and more pharmaceutical involvement.
For the sake of your selves, your children and the animals: WAKE UP PEOPLE! Take back your power over your own health and stop supporting these barbaric and sick individuals. Only you can do this. The time to do this is now.

UKRAINE EPIDEMIC

Posted in Vaccinations by earthling on November 11, 2009

 

Widespread rumors of Ukraine bioterrorism

What an Article – Must Read – from an Real Online News Source. You can thankhttp://www.thefreedomlink.org for bringing this article to our attention.

Article:

Ukrainian organizations in Canada have today issued an urgent appeal to the Canadian public and government for assistance in combatting the serious explosion of severe acute respiratory illness that has struck Ukraine in the past week and now affects over 900,000 people, with some 40,000 people now hospitalized. (http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2009/08/c7130.html)

This is not H1N1 2009 pandemic swine flu, also called California flu in Ukraine. People everywhere continue to refer to it as H1N1, but according to both WHO and the Ukraine government they are different diseases. The Ukraine government still reports only a handful of deaths from H1N1 California (”swine”) flu, with just one lab-confirmed death. Meanwhile both the government and WHO have been tracking the exponential increased of illnesses from severe acute respiratory illness, which have symptoms very different from H1N1 flu.

It is expected that within the next day or so WHO will release the gene sequence from tissue samples. Meanwhile speculation is rampant about what the ‘mystery disease’ actually is. Opinions range from a mutated, recombined, or man-made H1N1 to weaponized pneumonic plague or bird flu. At this stage there is no publicly available information on the cause. However, many observers say that it cannot possibly be H1N1 unless it is a different and much more virulent strain of it.

Background

On October 29 people in Kiev and cities in western Ukraine reported that light planes and helicopters had been spraying something to protect people against swine flu. Business owners were told in advance to keep doors and windows shut and to stay inside. There were many reports to local newspapers and radio stations, but local officials would not let them be published.

Within hours people were feeling ill, some reporting red rashes on their arms. Within two days a dozen people had died of severe acute respiratory illness (reported by WHO October 30 on their website), some with their lungs full of blood, fevers up to 39C-40C, and lung temperatures as high as 55C. This severe hemorrhagic pneumonia has similar symptoms to the 1918 Spanish flu, pneumonic plague, pulmonary anthrax, SARS and avian flu (H5N1).

Within a couple more days some 40 people had died, and today the death toll stands at around 100, with over half a million people infected. Most reports are calling it pneumonic plague, a bacterial infection that devastated Europe during the Middle Ages.

It is reported today that ARI cases have reached over 600,000 with 95 deaths, and that the outbreak is slowing down. (http://blog.kievukraine.info/)

On September 29-30 INTERPOL held a bioterrorism ‘tabletop exercise’ in Warsaw, Poland (http://www.interpol.int/Public/BioTerrorism/tabletop/default.asp). Now there appears to be a real bioterrorism event in eastern Europe. Dubbed the “Ukrainian plague”, there are also reports today of almost a million infected, 50,000 hospitalized, and that it has spread into Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary. (http://europebusines.blogspot.com/)
Nov 7 — U.S. radio talk show host Dr. A. True Ott interviews Alexander S. Jones about the Ukrainian mystery disease outbreak –

Are they trying to spread this thing globally? Despite internal martial law, quarantines, and travel bans, Ukraine has not closed its borders, and WHO says there is no need, as it would have no advantage in limiting the spread of the new outbreak, which WHO simply calls “severe acute respiratory illness”. However, Slovakia has closed its border with Ukraine, Russian has tightened its border, and Poland is apparently considering the same.

No solution is being proposed to combat the mystery disease that is killing so many people. The focus remains entirely on swine flu. Although prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko has said that only a dozen have died from H1N1 and only one case has been lab confirmed, the current outbreak is still officially blamed on swine flu, which Ukraine calls California flu.

WHO has had a team in Ukraine for several days and is reported to be in control of some key government positions. Most areas of the country are quarantined, travel is severely curtailed, public meetings are banned, schools are closed for 3 weeks, andmandatory mass vaccinations for swine flu appear imminent.

The government is now rounding up anyone who speaks out against swine flu disinformation, hype and alarmism or against mandatory vaccinations. Doctors in particular are not allowed to contradict the government’s line or to speak about the cause of deaths.

CBC has called Ukraine’s flu response ‘over the top’ (http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/11/06/h1n1-world.html?ref=rss)

Meanwhile, election campaigning has come to a stop because of the ban on public meetings and there is speculation that the election may be postponed until May 30. President Viktor Yushchenko and prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko are running against each other.

Yushchenko was elected with a 52% majority during the famous “Orange Revolution” of 2004-2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution), after earlier 2004 election results were annulled.

Billionaire tycoon Tymoshenko, who is the only one to have held an election rally before the ban on public meetings, said not long ago: “Sometimes I really think that Ukraine needs dictatorship and rule of law. Only a dictator can maintain the rule of law in Ukraine.”

What is really happening?

It is now widely known that earlier this year Baxter intentionally distributed over 70 kg of live genetically engineered H5N1 (avian) flu to labs in 18 countries, which was discovered after tests killed ferrets in Czech Republic and homeless people in Poland.

On August 12 Israeli bioscientist and MOSSAD agent Joseph Moshe called the studio of Dr. A. True Ott after a radio talk program. He claimed that tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines were being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions and said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death. The next day his standoff with Los Angeles police was televised live. (http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/video-joseph-moshes-baxter-ukraine-plague-warning/)

Why is such a major event getting so little attention by mainstream media in North America? And why is WHO dragging its feet in releasing the gene sequences?

All the above is from the article – seems like some of those “conspiracy theories – people are throwing around, are getting a few legs.

I will say again – I am putting articles in here – I am not trying to make this site about “conspiracy theories” – only what information I can get that is real. But it seems more and more of the online media outlets – articles are putting in the same things – that some would call “conspiracy theories”.

What is also nice, they have put lots of the information I have here on the blog – that is confirmed in one article!!

Everyone should email this mediahttp://shuswapnews.com/ and tell them THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING SOME INFORMATION – WHERE AS OTHERS ARE NOT – WHO SHOULD BE!

UPDATE – I just sent them an email saying THANK YOU!
THE Direct Contact Page for them is here:http://shuswapnews.com/home/contact.php

 

The Ultimate Agenda of the United Nations & Elite

Posted in "Climate Change" by earthling on November 2, 2009

According to Agenda 21 the future the globalists would like to have is a world full of conservation of wildlife, but complete bureaucratic rule over all aspects of human life where essentially humans are treated like dirt and everything we do will be subjected to inventory. When you think about the phrase ‘New World Order’ just think about mass de-population of mankind, the total enslavement of man, forcing humans into compact cities surrounded by protected wildlife where he is prohibited from entering, a socialist distribution of wealth, the complete control of all governments wealth and power in the hands of a few oligarchical dictators in the United Nations. It all sounds like a movie straight out of Hollywood, but the reality is globalists are moving forward at an exponential rate this year and pushing this treaty on America would mean complete servitude to the United Nations.

Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which humans exist.

You can read the text here: Agenda 21

Note: There is much said regarding the targeting and usefulness of Women and children/youth in Agenda 21, along with the NGO’s (Oil companies like Shell for instance!) but there is NO mention of male involvement. It is very subtle.

Brainwashing and conditioning our youth is a critical factor in achieving the aims of Agenda 21. When they can manipulate the maleability of youth to “see” and interpret as the government, NGO’s and Elite wish them to throughout the conditioning years of school, college and university, while improving their employability and employment (INTO the large NGO’s and Multi-national Corporations), the youth will feel invigorated and powerful. Do you see how this works?

Excerpt from Agenda 21:

25.4. Each country should, in consultation with its youth communities, establish a process to promote dialogue between the youth community and Government at all levels and to establish mechanisms that permit youth access to information and provide them with the opportunity to present their perspectives on government decisions, including the implementation of Agenda 21.

25.5. Each country, by the year 2000, should ensure that more than 50 per cent of its youth, gender balanced, are enrolled in or have access to appropriate secondary education or equivalent educational or vocational training programmes by increasing participation and access rates on an annual basis.

25.6. Each country should undertake initiatives aimed at reducing current levels of youth unemployment, particularly where they are disproportionately high in comparison to the overall unemployment rate.

25.7. Each country and the United Nations should support the promotion and creation of mechanisms to involve youth representation in all United Nations processes in order to influence those processes.

25.8. Each country should combat human rights abuses against young people, particularly young women and girls, and should consider providing all youth with legal protection, skills, opportunities and the support necessary for them to fulfil their personal, economic and social aspirations and potentials.

In the upcoming Copenhagen summit and treaty (“COP-15”), please note the following –

17. [[Developed [and developing] countries] [Developed and developing country Parties] [All Parties] [shall] [should]:]
(a) Compensate for damage to the LDCs’ economy and also compensate for lost opportunities, resources, lives, land and dignity, as many will become environmental refugees;

(b) Africa, in the context of environmental justice, should be equitably compensated for environmental, social and economic losses arising from the implementation of response measures.

COP-15 Treaty

It is all about transference of wealth. That is ALL global warming is about. Meanwhile, great swathes of land worldwide will be “protected” from the “scourge” of humanity and people will be shoe-horned even more into “sustainable” cities and urban areas even more-so than today. Such effects shall give the impression of even greater population problems (because they have squeezed humanity into smaller and smaller areas within which we will be ALLOWED to live) and that shall justify and support calls for further population reduction.

It is transparent and obvious.

God help us and let us hope good people exist in powerful positions to stop this because the population of the world in general are just too dumbed down and ignorant to see it. It is all sold to them as “if we take care of the environment (which the NGOs have actually no intention of doing) then we will make the world a cleaner place to live in”. The fact is that, with the exception of the elites, the mass of the world’s population are never going to be able to enjoy this “cleaner, greener earth” because we shall be forbidden from entering the majority of it and there will be FAR lesser of us anyhow. Those who do remain will be slaves to a Corporate culture and exist (not live) in a world set up to provide for the Elites.

NEW WORLD ORDER.

If you like the band, Rush and enjoy the album 2112, you may enjoy this attempt at putting together a “movie” re the battle at hand and what may be a future of sorts if we don’t do something about this. I claim “poetic licence” on the way it is presented however. 🙂