WARNING TO ISRAEL!
If I were an anti semite, would I be warning you DECENT jewish people as I am trying to do!
IF YOU DO NOT KILL THE REAL INTENT OF ZIONISM THEN ZIONISM IS GOING TO KILL YOU. you can take that to the bank!
DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE REAL WORLD WAR 2 HISTORY? Well unless the Transfer Agreement and the UK Parliament archives are all made up stories, you better listen and listen good!
OUR POLICE IN THE UK HAVEN’T GOT THE FOGGIEST IDEA OF WHAT THEY’RE PLAYING WITH AND IT’S THE SAME IGNORANCE THEY SHOW WHEN IT COMES TO ZIONISM. “Oh you must be an anti semite?” STUPID TWATS
Read, learn and educate yourselves you so called protectors of democracy! You don’t even know who your bloody CROWN is and, therefore, who your boss is! How do you expect us to recognise you as protectors of anything while your ignorance kills and the very people (jews) who you seem outraged at for getting such “abuse” aren’t getting abuse at all!
ZIONISM assholes! Look it up and get yourself a fricking education so that you CAN do your job! Or else keep listening to that little voice in your head called the Crown who determines every move you make while it manipulates you and screws you senseless!
You want respect officer? EARN IT ASSHOLE!
And as for any MI5/MI6 who read this. Step out of your little “den” twat and recognise you’re a sorry excuse for a human. Intelligence? Defending the realm? YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE “REALM” IS! You just do what your senior officers tell you and, in turn, they do what their higher ups tell them. It’s all compartmentalised and you just get paid for so called “intelligence” which is then used and manipulated for the benefit of this “Crown” you don’t even know! So much for your fricking intelligence! You’re creating a world that, when you’re finished doing so, you will be surplus to requirements and your kids will be screwed. Intelligence? Don’t make me fricking laugh you bunch of goons!
ADOLF HITLER: “Can I have my V2 back please?”
Previously unreleased material dating back to World War 2 has been unearthed by a BBC researcher which sheds some light on the mental state of Adolf Hitler in the last years of the war.
The V-2 rocket (German: Vergeltungswaffe 2, i.e. retaliation weapon 2), technical name Aggregat-4 (A4), was a ballistic missile that was developed at the beginning of the Second World War in Germany, specifically targeted at London and later Antwerp. The liquid-propellant rocket was the world’s first long-range combat-ballistic missileand first known human artifact to enter outer space. It was the progenitor of all modern rockets.
Over 3,000 V-2s were launched as military rockets by the German Wehrmacht against Allied targets during the war, mostly London and later Antwerp. The attacks resulted in the death of an estimated 7,250 military personnel and civilians.
Apparently, the BBC researcher has uncovered details relating to private telephone calls from Hitler to Winston Churchill, during which, he requested for the return of those rockets which had malfunctioned and, while landing in the middle of London, had not detonated. The transcripts reveal that Hitler became more and more upset during these calls to Churchill and that Churchill would make tape recordings of the calls and play them back to his ministers during the weekly “Rum and Cigar” nights at Number 10. Churchill is believed to have remarked that the recordings would provide hours of light entertainment for his guests considering the sheer naivety and, dare I say it, “chutzpah” of the German Premier.
Further detail refers to Hermann Goring statements relating to the requests:
Hermann Goring admitted that he did not think it likely that the rocket would be returned.
“We are very clearly making known our concerns. We submitted a formal request for the return of our lost equipment, as we would in any situation. Given Britain’s behaviour to date, we do not expect them to reply,” he said.
He said that despite numerous “provocations” from Britain, the Reich would continue to pursue a “diplomatic approach”.
Since the papers have been released just in the last 48 hours, Pentagon officials, Members of the Senate and Congress and also the Whitehouse itself have made the following statements:
“The guy was obviously off his trolley!”
“That mad German”
“The only reason he finance the development was because he issued his own currency therefore he didn’t have huge debts to repay the jewish bankers…… oops! Can I say that?” Anonymous.
“The man was clinically insane!”
“Never trust a nation that starts talking in terms of a ‘Fatherland’….. No, ‘Homeland’ is totally fine!”
Benjamin Netanyahu is reported to have said: “The Master Race my arse! WE’RE the Chosen ones….. always have been always will be!”
A reporter for Haaretz asked Netanyahu what the difference was between the ideology of a people thinking they were the “Master Race” to one thinking they were the “Chosen People”? To which Netanyahu replied:
“Do you think God chose Hitler? Even today, it’s our money and Lloyd Blankfein captues it so well when he says ‘We do God’s Work’. Anyhow ‘Chosen Ones’ sounds nicer doesn’t it?”
However, today, we have just learned the following. After years of sabre rattling and threats from the USA and Israel on Iran, President Obama has just requested the return of his drone.
Officials at the Pentagon and Whitehouse have been contacted but have declined to comment.
US asks Iran to return captured drone
President Barack Obama has said the US government has requested that Tehran return the surveillance drone captured by Iran’s military earlier this month.
Mr Obama said he would not comment on classified intelligence matters, but confirmed: “We have asked for it back. We’ll see how the Iranians respond.”
"CAN I HAVE MY DRONE BACK PLEASE?"
Iranian TV broadcast pictures of the intact RQ-170 Sentinel last week.
Tehran said the aircraft was brought down using electronic warfare; Washington insisted it malfunctioned.
Earlier on Monday, Iranian state TV reported that military experts were in the final stages of recovering data from the drone.
A member of the Iranian parliament’s national security committee, Parviz Sorouri, said the information they extracted would be used to “file a lawsuit against the United States over the invasion” by the aircraft.
‘Provocations’
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted that she did not think it likely that the drone would be returned.
“We are very clearly making known our concerns. We submitted a formal request for the return of our lost equipment, as we would in any situation. Given Iran’s behaviour to date, we do not expect them to reply,” she said.
She said that despite numerous “provocations” from Iran, the US would continue to pursue a “diplomatic approach”.
The Revolutionary Guards, whose officers were filmed inspecting the drone on Thursday, said it crossed Iran’s eastern border with Afghanistan and travelled 250km (155 miles) inside its airspace, before being brought down in a cyber attack.
However, US officials have said that intelligence assessments indicated that Iran neither shot down the aircraft nor used electronic warfare or cyber-technology to force it from the sky. They blamed a malfunction.
They are, however, concerned that Iran or its allies may be able to determine the chemical composition of the drone’s radar-deflecting paint, or copy its engine, control systems, and sophisticated cameras and sensors, which allow it to monitor the ground from high altitude.
The Iranian government has sent a letter of protest to the United Nations, accusing the US of “provocative and secret actions” violating international law, and warning against any “repetition of such actions”.
A former US official has said the Pentagon was using the drone to keep watch on Iran’s controversial nuclear programme. Western powers believe Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons, which it denies.
Back to the V2:
Missile strikes were often devastating, causing large numbers of deaths—160 killed and 108 seriously injured in one explosion on 25 November 1944 in mid-afternoon, striking a Woolworth’s department store in New Cross, south-east London. It is alleged that Adolf Hitler adored Pick n Mix from Woolworth’s but, at the onset of WW2, there was an embargo on the store from exporting to Germany. That pissed Hitler off! For some unexplained reason, however, it would appear that, while the embargo stopped candy from being exported, it didn’t stop Standard Oil from keeping the machinery of the Nazi Army from operating.
Well, that’s war for ya!
After these deadly results, British intelligence leaked falsified information implying that the rockets were over-shooting their London target by 10 to 20 miles. This tactic worked and for the remainder of the war most landed in Kent due to erroneous recalibration.
The final two rockets exploded on 27 March 1945. One of these was the last V-2 to kill a British civilian: Mrs. Ivy Millichamp, aged 34, killed in her home in Kynaston Road, Orpington in Kent, evidencing the German re-calibration.
A Spokesman for the Bank of England explained “We couldn’t have these rockets exploding in the City old Chap! There’s Rothschilds and high class people to think about and prime real estate you know! Ivy who did you say?”
Mrs Millichamp was unavailable for comment.
Is it just me or has the world gone insane and these puppets of Rothschild and Co are just taking the piss now?
BRING THE BOYS BACK HOME!
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re using them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re abusing them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re lying to them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re murdering them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re poisoning them.
Bring the boys back home: Because they’re fighting YOUR wars not theirs!
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re profiting from their death.
Bring the boys back home: Because they’re just killing for your profit.
Bring the boys back home: Because you couldn’t give a fcuk about them!
Bring the boys back home: Because we need them to destroy YOU not Arabs!
Bring the boys back home: Because they know not what they do nor why.
Bring the boys back home: THEN let’s see you make your profits and your globalisation work!
BRITISH TROOPS: If only they understood the "game". The Grand Chessboard within which they are used.
BRING THE BOYS BACK HOME: BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW U R ANIALLY DEPLETED CUNTS WHO DESTROY THEIR WORLD SO THEY HAVE NOTHING LEFT BUT TO BE PAID TO KILL.
YOUR “ANTHEM”: “THEY HATE US BECAUSE WE’RE FREE”.
YES INDEED. BUT WHO ARE FREE? US? NO, ONLY YOU! AND IT IS YOU THEY HAVE ALWAYS HATED NOT US, BECAUSE WE HATE YOU TOO!
AND HERE’S JUST ONE REASON WHY:
The use of DEPLETED URANIUM worldwide which you have never tested and never had the intention to. Nuclear poisoning of not only the Arab world but Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Serbia but also the UK and Europe as a whole.
DEPLETED URANIUM IS PYROPHORIC AND YOU’VE POISONED OUR AIR!
YOU BASTARDS!
CLIMATE CHANGE? GIVE ME A BREAK YOU PSYCHOPATHIC MORONS!
Depleted Uranium Ammunition
HL Deb 22 January 1998 vol 584 cc1607-101607
§ 3.16 p.m.
§The Countess of Mar asked Her Majesty’s Government:
§ Where, and under what conditions, depleted uranium ammunition is being manufactured in the United Kingdom.
§The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence (Lord Gilbert)
My Lords, the 120 millimetre ammunition for the Challenger 2 main battle tank has a depleted uranium component, which is being manufactured at Royal Ordnance plc’s specialist materials facility at Featherstone, near Wolverhampton; the ammunition is then assembled into complete rounds at the Royal 1608 Ordnance factory Birtley. Responsibility for conditions of manufacture and compliance with legislation on radiological site licensing rests with Royal Ordnance plc, which is owned by British Aerospace plc.
§The Countess of Mar
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his Answer. Does the noble Lord accept that depleted uranium has a half-life of 4.5 billion years; that because of its highly pyrophoric nature on impact it produces uranium dioxide dust which can be carried several miles in the wind; and that that dust is both chemically toxic and radioactive and is implicated in a number of cancers, including lung cancer and leukaemia, kidney problems and birth defects? Therefore, is the Minister satisfied with the safety of the community in Scotland where, I understand, test firing is carried out into the ground and into the Solway Firth from the Dundrennan army base near Kirkcudbright?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, far be it from me to challenge the remarks or the mastery of statistics of the noble Countess, Lady Mar. All I can say is that we have no knowledge whatever of any danger to the civilian population living in the neighbourhood of that particular test range, just as we have absolutely no knowledge of any dangers sustained by Her Majesty’s Forces in the Gulf when DU was used in the conflict.
[And do you know WHY they have "no knowledge"? Because they have NEVER conducted any tests into the issue! Do you know why? Because it's not THEM who go to war for one thing, it's Kissinger's "dumb and stupid animals used in foreign policy" and, let me add, used for profit! While your arms and legs get blown off, you're also being poisoned but hey, your families like you to join the Forces - you're a hero! Ignore the fact you're being murdered by your very "own", "My son's a hero". Well, that's "love" for ya!]
§Lord Jenkins of Putney
My Lords, is my noble friend the Minister aware of the fact that the use of depleted uranium has killed and maimed thousands of Iraqis, hundreds of American troops and an unknown number of British troops as a result of its use in the Gulf War? Therefore, will the Government do two things? First, will they investigate the possibility that this weapon is already bannable under the chemical weapons convention? Secondly, if it is not banned, will the Government consider doing so because it is ultimately a chemical weapon and should be banned under existing legislation? If that is not so, then there ought to be legislation to ban it.
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, not for the first time I am not sure that I can share all the premises in my noble friend’s questions. In 1993 the defence radiological protection service concluded that there was no indication of harmful over-exposure of British troops to DU in the Gulf. Tests were made on some Gulf veterans who were concerned that they might have inhaled depleted uranium dust and that that might have had an adverse effect upon them, but none was found to have experienced detectable contamination. Similarly, as far as we know, no British troops sustained injuries from DU ammunition.
§Lord Mackie of Benshie
My Lords, can the Minister tell the House what is good about depleted uranium ammunition?
§Lord Gilbert
Yes, my Lords; it is extremely hard and is the only ammunition that is capable of penetrating the armour of the latest main battle tanks.
§Lord Burnham
My Lords, I have a simplistic question for the Minister; namely, what is the definition of depleted uranium with particular reference to the degree of toxicity?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, the noble Lord asks a highly technical question. Indeed, I should be in great 1609 difficulty if I try to answer it and give technical definitions of what constitutes depleted uranium. However, I shall be happy to get the noble Lord a technical answer and will ensure that it is put into the record.
§Lord Parry
My Lords, on a simpler level, can the Minister reassure the House as to whether civilian carriers of the shells were warned of possible dangers, whereas the military users of them, often in contained tank space, were not?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I have no recollection as to whether or not specific warnings were given to Her Majesty’s personnel at the time of the Gulf War, but we continue to have an inventory of depleted uranium ammunition. I am sure that those responsible for handling it are well aware of the risks, if any, to which they might be exposed. Our view is—it was the view of previous administrations—that those are very small indeed.
[But, as you shall see, while their "view" is as stated, it is that because they literally have no idea. They have not tested and they don't care to! But it is an "open secret" that DU is poisoning both the "enemy" AND our own.]
§Lord Kennet
My Lords, I am sure that the House is aware that neither the noble Lord nor I can go too far into radio chemistry. Can the Minister confirm that depleted uranium is about 60 per cent. as radioactive as undepleted uranium? Since there is nothing to do with depleted uranium except to make it into bullets, about a billion pounds’ weight of depleted uranium is in store in the United States. If that is so, what is the corresponding figure in this country?
[ Actually wrong. DU is used in civil applications also particularly as counterweights]
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I think that I should bring an encyclopedia with me to answer some of my noble friend’s questions. Not for the first time my noble friend defeats me with his statistics
This material is not made into bullets in the normal sense of the word. It is put into the front end of tank shells. The only exception is the Royal Navy which has some depleted uranium ammunition for the Phalanx close-in weapons system.
Earl Howe
My Lords, have the Government any assessment of the potential environmental effects of depleted uranium contamination on the battlefield? If so, what conclusions have they reached?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I am not aware of whether our predecessors made any assessment. Certainly this Government have not been invited to do so. It is rather out of date for us now to make such an assessment.
[Out of date? This was 1998. Out of date? They CONTINUED to use the stuff and continue to this day! Too late for gulf war vets but not for Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and whoever is next! The point is that they just don't give a fcuk!]
However, the only specific source of concern is that in some circumstances we believe that the radiation can be slightly increased when one of the shells hits the armour of an opposing tank.
[That's just funny! "slightly increased". It's like saying "take an umbrella, there is a slight chance of rain today!]
§Lord Ironside
My Lords, are there any proposals for using depleted uranium—of which there is quite a lot in the world—to replace lead shot in shotguns? Would that alter the ballistics of the gun and create safety problems?
[Is this guy fcuking serious?]
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I am not normally familiar with the habits of the hunting-shooting fraternity. 1610 I should have thought that noble Lords opposite would know far more about its intentions than I would. But I have heard nothing of the kind.
§The Countess of Mar
My Lords, is the Minister aware that there is evidence that the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority was asked to go to the battlefields in Iraq and Kuwait to estimate the problems that might result from the depleted uranium left there after the war? Is the noble Lord aware that it was estimated that there might be some 500,000 deaths of civilians and soldiers; and that some 300 to 800 pounds of depleted uranium had been left in the Gulf?
I have put down a number of Questions for Written Answer on the subject, to which I have had no Answer. Will the noble Lord answer them and publish the answers in Hansard?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I cannot reply off the top of my head to the quite extraordinary statistics that the noble Countess produced; but I should be very surprised if 500,000 people were killed from any causes during the Gulf War.
[That's a brush off and a "No" then is it?]
Radiation
HC Deb 06 December 1999 vol 340 cc439-43W
Mr. Livsey
To ask the Secretary of State for Health if his Department will commission research into the health effects of(a) ingested and (b) inhaled uranium as a result of exposure to ammunition containing depleted uranium. [100842]
§Yvette Cooper
The Department has not commissioned any research into the effects of exposure to depleted uranium and has no plans to do so.
["It's not something we really give much thought to. After all, it isn't us or our children going out there or being poisoned and I think my ovaries and my husband's testicles are working ok! So what's the big deal?"]
So let’s consider George Robertson’s “I’m no gonnae tell ye that man!”
Depleted Uranium Weapons
HC Deb 01 July 1999 vol 334 c247W247W
§Mr. Corbyn
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what is the total stock of depleted uranium weaponry held by the UK. [88889]
§Mr. George Robertson
I am withholding the detailed information under exemption la of the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information relating to defence, security and international relations. Depleted uranium-based ammunition is used because it offers better performance than other alternatives and, therefore, gives our Armed Forces greater operational capability.
§Mr. Corbyn
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many depleted uranium weapons are held by British forces based in Albania, Macedonia and Kosovo. [88963]
§Mr. George Robertson
I am withholding this information under exemption 1 of the Code of Practice to Government Information relating to defence, security and international relations.
§Mr. Cotter
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will estimate how much depleted uranium was dropped on(a) Kosovo and (b) Serbia in the course of recent NATO action. [89067]
§Mr. George Robertson
The UK did not use depleted uranium (DU) ammunition during the air campaign over Kosovo and Serbia. The United States is the only member of the Alliance to have said that it used DU ammunition. I am not in a position to estimate the amount used.
[Were our forces in the region? Ah yes they were. So WE didn't use it therefore our guys can't be affected by it. Is that the suggestion here Georgie? You fcuking TURD!]
So let’s move on to some blatant lies shall we? This is the “Oops we need to keep better track of what we say” section. (I had similar experience of this sort of thing during a court case in Singapore – it’s when I recognised the judicial system is corrupt, arrogant and couldn’t give a damn about outright perjury. It’s not “justice”, it’s THEIR “justice”):
Weapons Testing (Scotland)
HC Deb 29 March 1999 vol 328 c483W483W
§Mr. Dalyell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what testing of depleted uranium weapons has taken place in Southern Scotland. [77356]
§Mr. Doug Henderson
[holding answer 18 March 1999]: Since the test-firing of depleted uranium (DU) based ammunition was approved in 1979 all testing of such ammunition in southern Scotland has been conducted at Kirkcudbright and West Freugh (near Stanraer). The trials at West Freugh, which took place in 1988 and 1990, tested Vulcan Phalanx ammunition and were very limited in nature, with only 200 small calibre rounds (around 20kg) being fired. The testing of 120mm DU-based ammunition for the Challenger main battle tank, which takes place at Kirkcudbright, started in 1982. Since the end of the Challenger tank development programme in 1997 this testing has been significantly reduced and currently only a small number of rounds are fired each year to check manufacturing quality.
Just 2 years later (and bear in mind Spellar refers to the Gulf War, therefore, he is speaking in terms of years/decades not just “now” 2001)
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 24 January 2001 vol 361 cc577-8W577W
§Mr. Duncan Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if depleted uranium rounds are routinely carried by Challenger tanks on operations and training exercises. [146899]
§Mr. Spellar
[holding answer 23 January 2001]Depleted uranium rounds are not carried by Challenger tanks on exercise and are moved to a theatre of operations only if the circumstances suggest that they may be needed. For example, each Challenger 1 carried DU ammunition when deployed to the Gulf in 1990–01. DU ammunition is not currently held in the Balkans, but could be flown out at short notice should the situation warrant it.
[ It's not "While we did so before we don't do it now", it is a statement suggesting it has never been done. He's either incompetent, ill-advised or a liar. I know which I choose]
Depleted Uranium Ammunition
HC Deb 02 July 1993 vol 227 cc639-40W639W
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether depleted uranium ammunition continues to be test fired at Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright ranges.
§Mr. Aitken
Yes.
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 14 June,Official Report, column 474, for what reason air samples are not taken at Kirkcudbright range to check for depleted uranium radioactivity; if he will consider the taking of such samples; and if he will make a statement.
§Mr. Aitken
Air samples are not necessary at Kirkcudbright because the depleted uranium penetrators are not fired against a hard target. There is, therefore, no significant dispersion of radioactive material into the air.
[So they just fire them into the air and, I guess, they drop in the ocean and, if they're lucky, they catch a fish! No need to cook in a microwave then huh? Meanwhile, Eskmeals in Cumbria? I'd guess they must be fired at a hard target there!]
Oh yes! They are! How about that!
“The Eskmeals site offers weapon and equipment proving trials. This included test firing of projectiles made up in part of depleted uranium, and the use of ‘hard targets’ for testing the effectiveness of armour plating containing depleted uranium. The firing programme using depleted uranium projectiles is currently suspended, but there are no plans to close the site”
Depleted Uranium Ammunition
HC Deb 08 March 1979 vol 963 cc777-8W777W
§Mr. Woodall
asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the use of depleted uranium ammunition in the United Kingdom.
§Mr. Mulley
A research and development and proof firing programme of anti-armour ammunition with depleted uranium penetrators will take place at Ministry of Defence ranges in the United Kingdom, starting at the Proof and Experimental Establishment, Eskmeals, Cumbria, in 1980. The high density and778W metallurgical properties of this material appear to make it particularly suitable for use in anti-armour ammunition which we are constantly seeking to improve in response to the preponderance of Warsaw Pact tanks on the Central Front and improvements being made to them. The United States Air Force will also store ammunition containing depleted uranium alloy—known as staballoy in the United States—for its A-10 aircraft in this country. Depleted uranium is already being handled and worked safely in this country for a variety of civil applications, and ammunition containing it is in no sense a nuclear or radiological weapon. [ha....ha. They're hilarious aren't they? And these people are considered "cream of the crop" intelligence wise?]
Test firings will only be used for research and development purposes. There is no intention either by the USAF or the British Army to use depleted uranium for training purposes in the United Kingdom in peacetime.
[Big massive lie there then because they ARE used in training as we have already seen. I guess they changed their mind then.]
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 19 June 2000 vol 352 c27W27W
§Mr. Alasdair Morgan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) how many depleted uranium shells have been fired at hard targets in the Solway Firth from DERA’s Kirkcudbright ranges; and what quantity of depleted uranium was used in each of the last five years; [125717]
(2) if he will estimate the amount of depleted uranium particulate dust that has been released as a result of test firings of depleted uranium shells from DERA’s Kirkcudbright ranges on hard targets in the Solway Firth in the last five years. [125718]
§Mr. Spellar
Although the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (DERA) conducts the depleted uranium (DU) firings at Kirkcudbright, ownership of the range, since 1 April 1997, has rested with the Army.
There have been no deliberate firings of DU at hard targets at Kirkcudbright and, therefore, in the normal course of events there is no release of particulate dust. However, there have been three occasions in the last five years when shells have misfired and hit either the ground or the target gantry. A small amount of DU dust will have entered the atmosphere as a result of these events. Remedial action has been taken in each case and the contamination removed to the satisfaction of the regulatory bodies, the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency(SEPA) and Dumfries and Galloway Council. Air samplers which have been running since 1997 have not detected any particulate DU in the atmosphere above background levels.
[Oh PLEASE explain why there would be ANY "background level" of depleted uranium in the atmosphere? Perhaps because the military actions taking place in Kosovo and Iraq etc etc cause there to be? Because, as I understand it, Uranium (depleted or otherwise) is a VERY HEAVY ELEMENT and needs to be MINED]
A total number of DU shells fired at the range in each of the past five years is as follows:
•1995: 280
•1996: 147
•1997: 749
•1998: 134
•1999: 111
Depleted Uranium
HL Deb 10 July 2003 vol 651 c55WA55WA
§Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What guidance is given by the Government to the Environment Agency, the Health and Safety Executive and local authorities with regard to sites where depleted uranium is used in the manufacture of ordnance or for any other purpose in the United Kingdom; and when that guidance was last updated and how. [HL3215]
§The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Lord Whitty)
Depleted uranium is no longer used in the manufacture of ordnance. The regulators are fully aware of the issues that need to be addressed in the regulation of the storage or disposal of depleted uranium. The Government do not presently see a need for guidance on this issue.
[Another bare faced lie.]
Depleted Uranium Munitions
HC Deb 29 January 2003 vol 398 c854W854W
§Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether(a) British forces and (b) United States forces deployed to the Gulf have depleted uranium munitions available as part of their armoury. [91974]
§Mr. Ingram
I can confirm that British Forces deployed to the Gulf will have depleted uranium munitions available as part of the armoury. The deployment of depleted uranium munitions by US Forces, is a matter for the US Government.
[But hey, the idea of testing on DU is "out of date" yet just 5 years later we're still using it. After THIS war however, to ask the question again will be "out of date". I wish someone would tell these bastards that, unlike milk and bread etc (or GMO food), Depleted Uranium really doesn't have a sell by date on it. It has a half life of 4.5 BILLON YEARS! Oh but they have been told. I guess it just doen't compute for the stupid pricks OR, alternatiely, they just don't wish to acknowledge it. After all, it's helping them to destroy nations, rebuild in their image, introduce a Rothschild/Western owned Central bank, get the IMF in and make HUGE PROFITS by controlling ANOTHER few economies of nations. Sovereignty? What's that? You're only sovereign if YOU hold the nukes, the DU and the Military arsenal. So tell me Salmond, where's OUR military? Oh yes I forgot, it'll be supplied by the EU you're taking us into. But wait a minute, didn't you say we'd be independent? Ah! Just not independent of the same cunts that are detroying the world like the UN, IMF, BIS, your pal Al Gore and his Global Warming crap and anyone else that'll give wee Alex their financial backing for being the feudal "Lord" of the Scottish "nation". And your SNP voters love ye Alex you little twat!]
Weapons of Mass Destruction
HC Deb 18 June 2003 vol 407 c252W252W
§Mr. Peter Duncan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many of the bunker-buster missiles used in Iraq were tipped with depleted uranium. [118323]
§Mr. Ingram
There is no air-launched ordnance containing depleted uranium in United Kingdom service.
[ANOTHER total fcuking lie!]
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 19 July 1999 vol 335 cc423-4W423W
§30.Mr. Gordon Prentice
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence for what reasons the Army does not hold depleted uranium munitions. [90229]
§Mr. Doug Henderson
The Army does hold stocks of depleted uranium based ammunition.
§Helen Jackson
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many individuals(a) in or formerly with the armed forces and (b) in Southern Iraq have been tested specifically for evidence of depleted uranium contamination. [90363]
§Mr. Doug Henderson
There is no central record of any health tests conducted for those still serving or for those who have left the armed forces. ["Who gives a shit" right?]
The Ministry of Defence is aware of the suggestion that exposure to depleted uranium (DU) is a cause of ill-health among some veterans of the 1990–91 Gulf conflict. Any Gulf veteran who is concerned that their health has been adversely affected by service during that conflict is entitled to seek a referral to the Ministry of Defence’s Gulf Veterans’ Medical Assessment Programme (MAP) for a full medical assessment. During assessment, the patient receives a set of standard tests. If the examining physician considers it clinically appropriate for a patient to receive tests to detect DU, these would be arranged. Between one and five people so far examined by MAP physicians, have exhibited symptoms that, in the judgment of the examining physicians, have indicated a clinical requirement for testing to detect DU, and have been tested.
However, a very small number of UK troops, who expressed concern that they might have inhaled DU dust during preparatory training in Saudi Arabia before the state of hostilities, were subjected to Whole Body Monitoring in February 1991. They showed no detectable contamination. [Using what? Were the batteries in?]
The Ministry of Defence is also aware of reports of DU testing undertaken by Professor Sharma of the University of Waterloo, Ontario, and Dr. Durakovic of Georgetown University, Washington. Dr. Durakovic discussed their work in general terms with Ministry of Defence officials in February 1999, when he explained that they are carrying out a study into uranium levels among veterans of the Gulf conflict, in which it is understood a small 424W number of UK Gulf veterans and Iraqi nationals are participating. Dr. Durakovic indicated that they plan to publish their findings, including details of the methodology they are using and the results obtained, later this year. Their work is not being undertaken at the request of the Ministry of Defence and any UK Gulf veterans who choose to participate do so on a voluntary basis. [Again, we don't give a fcuk!]
The healthcare of Iraqi nationals, including any testing for the presence of DU, is a matter for the Iraqi Government.
[Now THAT says it all! Because not only do they not give a flying fart in regard to what they have done to Iraq and the entire Middle East region, he also says "any testing for the presence of DU" is not the British Government's concern WHILE we then sent British troops out there! (4.5 BILLION YEARS half life!) Again, then,"We don't give a fcuk about ANYBODY. Iraqi OR our troops!"]
Iraq
HC Deb 12 May 1999 vol 331 c309309
§Q1.Mr. Tam Dalyell (Linlithgow)
What assessment he has made of the impact of the damage to (a) the water supply and (b) oil facilities in Iraq as a result of bombing since 23 March.
§The Prime Minister (Mr. Tony Blair)
Patrols of the no-fly zones remain a vital humanitarian task to protect the Kurds in the north and the Shias in the south of Iraq. Since 23 March, our aircraft have been shot at or threatened some 75 times. Iraqi facilities that pose a threat may be targeted in self-defence; there is, however, no question of our targeting oil facilities or water supplies. Iraq has claimed that one such strike on part of its air defence network temporarily disrupted oil supplies, although no oil pipeline was damaged. We are unaware of any disruption to water supplies.
[Sovereign nation defending itself. Hmmm. If Iraq had attacked us wouldn't we be shooting at them or threatening them?]
§Mr. Dalyell
What is the assessment of the effect of depleted uranium on the water supply and on the health of the civilian population?
§The Prime Minister
We have no such assessment, but we take the utmost care in what we do to make sure that we do not attach ourselves to the water or oil supplies. Indeed, as I said, there is evidence that, as a result of the action, one oil pipeline was damaged, but there is no evidence of damage to water supplies.
I point out to my hon. Friend that we have the no-fly zones to protect the Iraqi people from the Iraqi leader; otherwise, he would be free to do as he did, for example, when he used chemical weapons to kill 5,000 Kurds in the north of Iraq. This is a mission of protection—protection of the Iraqi people.
[Chemical weapons the west supplied him to use against Iranian people! But let's ignore that! You hypocritical little cunt Blair! Meanwhile, the DU you use is indiscriminate and is, effectively a chemical (pyrophonic) poisonous, radiation. Humanitarian my ass! You were well paid off by Rothschild after all of this though weren't you Tony? $2M (then a hell of a lot more) per year pimped out to J.P.Morgan by Evelyn and his wifey! - You sick criminal bastard!]
§Mr. Dalyell
On a point of order, Madam Speaker. In view of the unsatisfactory nature of the Prime Minister’s reply, I give notice that I hope to raise this matter on a motion for the Adjournment.
See also: libya-depleted-uranium-and-a-british-mps-hypocrisy-part-2
and: libya-depleted-uranium-and-a-british-mps-hypocrisy
and
Armed forces minister sorry for misleading MPs over depleted uranium
MoD urged to phase out use of depleted uranium weapons after armed forces minister admits review was never carried out
Dundrennan missile testing range, where depleted uranium ordinance was tested. The range includes farmland. Photograph: Murdo Macleod for the Guardian
minister-sorry-dangers-depleted-uranium?newsfeed=true
They’re ALWAYS “Sorry”. Sorry for being caught. Sorry for making “mistakes”.
No. THEY SHOULD BE SORRY FOR BEING A BUNCH OF LYING BASTARDS AND A SORRY EXCUSE FOR HUMAN! What the smell of MONEY will do to people!
BILDERBERG invite you in to the “Inner Circle” and you’ll feed your Granny DU for breakfast!
And it goes on….. and on….and on……
Tartan Warrior
HC Deb 05 July 1995 vol 263 cc268-9W268W
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many sorties were flown during the recent exercise Tartan Warrior; how many of these were by ground attack aircraft; and what was the minimum permitted altitude for the ground attack aircraft involved in the exercise. [31336]
§Mr. Soames
A total of 289 sorties were flown during the exercise, of which 200 were by ground attack aircraft. The minimum permitted altitude for the majority of the low-level sorties flown by ground attack aircraft was 250 ft minimum separation distance with a small proportion of sorties permitted down to 100 ft minimum separation distance.
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§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what advance information was given to the media concerning Exercise Tartan Warrior; and if he will list those media organisations to whom the information was sent. [31340]
§Mr. Soames
Exercise Tartan Warrior was a small-scale squadron training exercise and in the circumstances advance information was not given to the media about all of the activity involved. Details of the use of Tain air weapons range were provided to Moray Firth Radio and to Aberdeen Journals Ltd.
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many of the ground attack sorties during exercise Tartan Warrior involved carriage of live weapons. [31339]
§Mr. Soames
Five sorties involved carriage of live weapons for practice ground attacks on Garvie Island weapons range.
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what was the aim of the recent Tartan Warrior exercise; how many aircraft and of what types took part; and what plans he has for further exercises in this series. [31335]
§Mr. Soames
The aim of the exercise was to provide both routine squadron training, and work-up prior to Exercise Air Warrior in the USA, for No. 41 Sqn RAF Coltishall. The following aircraft took part:
•Ten Jaguar GR1As
•Six Tornado GR1s
•Eight Tornado F3s
•Eight USAF F15s
A further exercise in the headquarters No. 1 group Tartan series involving No. 6 Sqn RAF Coltishall is planned for October 1995.
Garvie Island, Sutherland
HC Deb 08 February 2000 vol 344 c111W111W
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what supervisory arrangements are operated to monitor the use by foreign military forces of Garvie Island, Sutherland, as a target. [108992]
§Mr. Spellar
Any use of ranges at Garvie Island is governed by UK regulations and is directly supervised by UK military personnel.
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he has approved the use of Garvie Island in Sutherland for shelling by US warships; and if he will make a statement. [108991]
§Mr. Spellar
I have not approved Garvie Island in Sutherland for any use by US warships.
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if depleted uranium-based ammunition is authorised for use at Garvie Island, Sutherland, by(a) UK forces and (b) overseas forces; and if he will make a statement. [108993]
§Mr. Spellar
Depleted uranium is not authorised for use at Garvie Island either by UK or overseas forces.
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence under what arrangements exercises by non-UK forces are conducted involving the(a) shelling and (b) bombing of Garvie Island, Sutherland; and if he will make a statement. [108990]
§Mr. Spellar
The range at Garvie Island is open to use by members of NATO. All exercises are conducted under UK regulations and are under the direct control of UK military personnel. Garvie Island is used only by aircraft. There is no shelling of the island.
Garvie Island
HC Deb 27 November 1979 vol 974 cc1096-71096
§16.Mr. Maclennan
asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will review the arrangements to secure safety at the Gar-vie Island range in North-West Sutherland.
§The Under-Secretary of State for Defence for the Royal Navy (Mr. Keith Speed)
Various measures, some introduced only late last year, are in force which are designed to ensure the safe operation of the Garvie Island range. Operations cease if it is believed that the range is not clear.
§Mr. Maclennan
Is the Minister aware that in the last two months there have been episodes which have alarmed fishermen from my constituency because shells have landed within 300 yards of their vessels? Is he aware that arrangements entered into last year appear not to be working as they might? Will he examine this urgently?
§Mr. Speed
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the letter that he sent me. I shall certainly investigate the matter. The last official complaint that we had 1097 about Garvie was in July 1977, and about the Cape Wrath gunnery range on 13 November last year. We shall, of course, look into all complaints.
Garvie Island
HC Deb 22 November 1991 vol 199 cc350-1W350W
Mr. O’Neill
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what exercises have been carried out on Garvie island in the last month; and how many times in the last two years exercises have been carried out on Garvie island at the weekend.
§Mr. Archie Hamilton
The Garvie island range has been in use on 11 occasions over the last month and on two Saturdays during the past two years. Specific details are as follows:
Date
Activity
Use of Garvie island over the last month
8 October
Aircraft bombing exercise
29 October
Aircraft bombing exercise
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Date
Activity
30 October
Aircraft bombing exercise
5 November
Aircraft bombing exercise
8 November
Aircraft bombing exercise
14 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
15 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
16 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
18 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
19 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
20 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
Use of Garvie island at weekends over past two years
2 February 1991
Aircraft bombing exercise
28 September 1991
Aircraft bombing exercise
Bombing Exercise (Scotland)
HC Deb 06 March 1989 vol 148 cc605-76053.34 pm
§Mrs. Margaret Ewing(Moray)(by private notice)
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the proposed live bombing exercise to be conducted in the Moray firth on 13 March.
§The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Armed Forces (Mr. Michael Neubert)
There is no question of live bombs being dropped in the Moray firth. On 13 March, which is the day of delivery of the 1,000th Stingray torpedo to the Ministry of Defence, it is planned that three wholly inert practice Stingray torpedoes will be dropped in the Moray firth to demonstrate to the press the ability of the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy to utilise this important weapon. All appropriate steps will be taken to ensure that shipping is not affected by this demonstration.
§Mrs. Ewing
We welcome the fact that live bombs will not be used, but why did the Minister not take the opportunity that was offered on Thursday when I tabled a written question on the matter to deny that they would be used? When the Ministry of Defence was contacted by the press in Scotland during the weekend, it did not take the opportunity to deny that live bombs would be used. That has caused a great deal of worry to people involved in fishing, the oil industry and aviation in the north and north-east of Scotland. Why is it so important to drop even inert bombs in territorial waters rather than in international waters, as is usual?
§Mr. Neubert
I learnt of the confusion only through the medium of the United States navy exercise called Exercise North Star 89 which is taking place from today until 15 March. During the exercise, aircraft from the US navy aircraft carrier USS America will undertake practice bombing missions. They will drop live ordnance on Garvie island and practice bombs on the training range at Tain. There is no question of live bombs being dropped in the Moray firth or anywhere else in United Kingdom territorial waters.
The concern has arisen as a result of a pamphlet, published by Mr. Malcolm Spaven, entitled “Scottish Defence News”. He is an academic and adviser to several Opposition Members on aviation matters. He has confused the two events, and caused confusion and a great deal of unnecessary anxiety, for which I cannot be held responsible.
§Sir Hector Monro(Dumfries)
Does my hon. Friend agree that it is irresponsible of Opposition Members to raise this matter and to criticise the Royal Air Force for carrying out its training obligations within all the rules and regulations? Does my hon. Friend further agree that the two RAF stations—Kinloss and Lossiemouth—operate to the very highest standards in the Royal Air Force?
§Mr. Neubert
That is undoubtedly true. My hon. Friend is right to suggest that this is, if anything, a mischievous attempt to confuse issues which would otherwise be entirely straightforward.
§Mr. George Foulkes(Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley)
When will Scotland stop being used as the playground of the Royal Air Force? Is the Minister aware that the hon. Member for Dumfries (Sir H. Monro) joined 606 me, the right hon. Member for Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale (Mr. Steel) and the hon. Member for Moray (Mrs. Ewing) to protest strongly at the huge increase in low-level flying—down to 100 ft—over the whole of the south-west of Scotland?
§Mr. Speaker
Order. The question is about bombing.
§Mr. Foulkes
If they were doing it over Croydon you. would understand, Mr. Speaker. It is all the same kind of thing. The Royal Air Force in Scotland and Cumbria does everything that it wants to. Does the Ministry of Defence ever say no to requests made by the RAF for such exercises and low flying?
§Mr. Neubert
I must repeat for the benefit of the hon. Member that this request arises from a press facility arranged by Marconi Underwater Systems to demonstrate a very effective weapon. The use of ranges is entirely different and well established, and I am sure that the Scottish people want to contribute to the defence of the nation.
§Mr. Bill Walker(Tayside, North)
Does my hon. Friend agree that it is a bit rich for Opposition Members to complain about the RAF’s activities when everybody knows that Scotland’s location and the RAF bases there are essential to the well-being and safety of the United Kingdom? Does my hon. Friend agree further that the people who look after the servicing and supplies to those Royal Air Force bases would find it offensive if all such activities were stopped because they are the reason why those bases are there? If the Royal Air Force wants to continue low flying in my constituency, I am happy that it should do so.
§Mr. Speaker
Order. Keep to the Moray Firth, please.
§Mr. Neubert
It is always encouraging to have my hon. Friend with his long experience of the Royal Air Force behind me on these occasions.
§Mr. Alex Salmond(Banff and Buchan)
Will the Minister explain why he did not take the opportunity to deny the story last week? Have not the fear and alarm been caused by a ridiculous public relations celebration to celebrate the 1,000th missile? If all reasonable steps have been taken to alert shipping, why has the Moray coastguard no knowledge of the exercise?
§Mr. Neubert
It may be because the press facilities were arranged for a week from today—Monday 13 March. On the point about confusion and the timing of questions and answers, the “Scottish Defence News” pamphlet is dated February 1989. It has taken a long time for this scurillous rumour to surface.
§Mr. Julian Brazier(Canterbury)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the torpedo to be used in the test, Stingray is easily the best lightweight torpedo in the world and that this test will provide another opportunity to show that the decision made nine years ago to go ahead with it was right?
§Mr. Neubert
My hon. Friend speaks well of the weapon and I hope that the 30 press people leaving from London and going to Scotland to see it demonstrated in complete safety off the Scottish coast will be equally impressed by its effectiveness.
§Dr. Norman A. Godman(Greenock and Port Glasgow)
Will the Minister give an assurance that the disruption to 607 the activities of our fishermen will be kept to a minimum? Will he also give an assurance that any debris left on the seabed will be cleaned up in the interests of our fishermen and their expensive gear?
§Mr. Neubert
I shall certainly take note of the hon. Gentleman’s point on the latter question. On the former, I assure him that every care will be taken not to disrupt local fishermen.
§Mr. Robert Maclennan(Caithness and Sutherland)
Does the Minister accept that the practice of dropping live bombs on Garvie island, which has been properly regulated for many years, has met with complete acceptance locally because of the way in which it has been conducted and that there is no question of opposing in principle the use of live weapons on those ranges? However, can he tell us when he learnt about what he has described as mischievous rumours and how quickly he moved to quell them?
§Mr. Neubert
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his opening remarks. On his second point, I learnt about the confusion from the Sunday Mail, the source of all this anxiety.
§Mr. Allan Rogers(Rhondda)
The Minister has been extremely dismissive in his answers. Is it not true that a notification about live bombing was issued by the Civil Aviation Authority in relation to the Moray firth? Is that not another example of the complete lack of liaison between the Civil Aviation Authority and the Ministry of Defence, which we see in other spheres?
§Mr. Neubert
The original premise of that question is wrong. What follows, therefore, is equally wrong.
§Mr. Andrew Welsh(Angus, East)
Will the Minister answer the question put by my hon. Friend the Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond)? Why was the Moray coastguard not informed?
§Mr. Neubert
I have already replied to that question. I pointed out that this press demonstration is taking place a week from now and that arrangements for it are made by Marconi. All who need to know will be notified.
Teamwork 90
HC Deb 26 July 1990 vol 177 c524W524W
§Mr. Andrew F. Bennett
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will provide an estimate of the cost to his Department of United Kingdom participation in NATO exercise Teamwork 90.
§Mr. Archie Hamilton
Costs attributable to exercises such as Teamwork are not indentified separately and could not be calculated without disproportionate effort. As the participation of the ships, aircraft and personnel involved is consistent with their normal training activities, the additional costs of the exercise will be limited to such items as travel and subsistence allowances.
§Mrs. Fyfe
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what activities will take place, and when, at(a) each RAF station involved in Scotland and (b) which Scottish waters in the NATO exercise Teamwork 90.
§Mr. Archie Hamilton
Current plans envisage the use of RAF bases in Scotland at Lossiemouth, Kinloss, Leuchars and Stornoway. A large number of shipping movements are planned to take place off Scotland and the Cape Wrath and Garvie Island ranges will be used. It would be inappropriate to give precise details of the timing and location of activities in the exercise, which will be held from 6 to 23 September.
Uranium-tipped Shells
HC Deb 17 October 1996 vol 282 cc1089-90W1089W
§Dr. David Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the current risk posed to civilians from exploded depleted uranium-tipped shells in Kuwait. [41101]
§Mr. Arbuthnot
My Department has conducted no formal assessment of the risks to civilians from exploded depleted uranium-tipped ammunition in Kuwait.
§Dr. Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning the risk to soldiers of handling depleted uranium-tipped shells. [41100]
§Mr. Soames
Depleted uranium has a very low level of radioactivity and the risks attached to the handling of depleted uranium ammunition are minimal.
§Dr. Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the 1991 Atomic Energy Authority report on industrial technology concerning the risk of exposure to exploded depleted uranium-tipped shells. [41102]
§Mr. Soames
I refer the hon. Member to the letter sent by my noble Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Defence to the hon. Member for Blaenau Gwent (Mr. Smith) on 7 August 1996, a copy of which has been placed in the Library of the House.
§Dr. Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many depleted uranium-tipped shells were fired by British forces during the Gulf war; and what assessment he has made of the number of exploded shells remaining in Kuwait. [41099]
§Mr. Soames
British forces fired some 88 depleted uranium shells during the Gulf conflict. The Ministry of Defence has made no assessment of the number of exploded shells remaining in Kuwait, as we judge the risk to human health posed by DU rounds to be negligible. It is likely, though, that a large proportion of the 88 shells was expended in Iraq rather than Kuwait.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what studies have been conducted by his Department into the nephrotoxicity of the inhalation of uranium particles. [41296]
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§Mr. Soames
I will write to the hon. Member and a copy of the letter will be placed in the Library of the House.
Uranium Storage
HC Deb 23 January 1995 vol 253 c9W9W
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the President of the Board of Trade what type of uranium is stored at Chapelcross.
§Mr. Charles Wardle
[holding answer 19 January 1995]: Depleted uranium.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 29 January 2001 vol 362 cc60-1W60W
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what plans he has to request the Defence Radiological Protection Service to update its 1993 report on the exposure by British military personnel to depleted uranium during the Gulf war. [145300]
§Mr. Spellar
My Department’s position on the exposure of British military personnel to depleted uranium during the Gulf conflict was set out on 19 March 1999 in a paper entitled, “Testing for the presence of Depleted 61W Uranium in UK Veterans of the Gulf conflict: the Current Position”. Since then the US Department of Defence has published its own assessment of possible levels of depleted uranium to which troops may have been exposed in the Gulf. These levels are lower than those contained in the Defence Radiological Protection Service reports of 1993, and our 1999 paper. We will analyse the differences.
§Mr. Malins
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many(a) shells and (b) bullets containing (i) uranium and (ii) depleted uranium were fired by the Army on ranges in Surrey in the last 10 years. [147070]
§Mr. Spellar
No munitions containing uranium or depleted uranium have been fired on the ranges in Surrey.
§Mr. Dalyell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what uranium pharmacological tests he proposes should be undertaken on civilians living in areas of depleted uranium debris; [147194]
(2) if he will conduct uranium pharmacological tests on civilians in Kosovo. [147195]
§Mr. Spellar
The health of civilians is the responsibility of their Government or, as in the case of Kosovo, the United Nations. Although the UK will provide help and advice if requested, it is up to these relevant authorities to decide what tests, if any, should be carried out.
§Mr. Dalyell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what evidence he has received on measurements of uranium 235 among Kosovans. [147196]
§Mr. Spellar
None. The Ministry of Defence is not aware of any such measurements being taken.
§Mr. Wigley
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many representations he has received concerning a ban on the use of depleted uranium ammunition by the armed forces. [145937]
§Mr. Spellar
[pursuant to his reply, 23 January 2001, c. 537W]: We have received a petition from the Campaign Against Depleted Uranium.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what recent representations have been received from the campaign against depleted uranium. [145295]
§Mr. Spellar
[pursuant to his reply, 22 January 2001, c. 420W]: We have received a petition from the Campaign Against Depleted Uranium.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 12 February 2001 vol 363 cc56-7W56W
§Mr. Duncan Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) how much depleted uranium is left behind in tank gun barrels after the firing of depleted uranium rounds; [146579]
(2) how much depleted uranium is extracted from the barrel of tanks and evacuated into the atmosphere during the firing of depleted uranium rounds; [146580]
(3) what research his Department has undertaken into the potential risks to tank crews of firing depleted uranium rounds; and if he will publish the research. [146578]
§Mr. Spellar
[holding answer 22 January 2001]: MOD officials are researching the reports addressing the issues raised. I will write to the right hon. Member once the review is complete, and a copy of my letter will be placed in the Library of the House.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 5 February 2001, Official Report, column 358W, if he will publish a list 57W on the reports on depleted uranium commissioned by his Department from DERA; and if he will place copies of these reports in the Library. [149650]
§Mr. Spellar
I will write to my hon. Friend and a copy of my letter will be placed in the Library of the House.
§Sir Richard Body
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 16 June 1999,Official Report, column 148, on Kosovo, what measures have been taken to identify targets hit by depleted uranium ammunition; and whether non-standard issue NBC kit has been issued for troops in proximity to such locations. [90950]
§Mr. George Robertson
Although British Forces did not fire depleted uranium ammunition in Kosovo, we await information through NATO channels as to whether any such ammunition was used in the British led sector.
Service personnel deployed in Kosovo have been given appropriate guidance, and provided with standard NBC equipment, including protective gloves and respiratory equipment, which they should wear if contact with targets damaged by DU ammunition is unavoidable.
§Dr. Lynne Jones
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what investigations he is undertaking into the environmental impact of the use of weapons containing depleted uranium during the conflict in Kosovo and Serbia; [91764]
(2) what decontamination work is taking place in Kosovo as a result of the use by US forces of weapons containing depleted uranium; what responsibility the US is taking for the cost of this work, and if (i) UK and (ii) other EU personnel are involved. [91765]
§Mr. George Robertson
No decontamination work is currently taking place in Kosovo. A joint task force has been set up by the UN Environment Programme and the UN Commission on Settlements to assess the environmental and health aspects of the conflict. The UK stands ready to co-operate with that task force.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 17 January 2000 vol 342 cc278-9W278W
§Mr. Breed
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how much depleted uranium has been authorised for use by his Department in each of the last three years. [104265]
§Mr. Spellar
The UK has not fired DU ammunition during the course of any of the operations it has undertaken over the last three years.
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§Mr. Davidson
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what steps will be taken to ensure that United States Forces using the Ministry of Defence range at Cape Wrath later this year do not use depleted uranium shells. [104877]
§Mr. Spellar
Any nation using the ranges at Cape Wrath must abide by our Standard Operating Regulations. These regulations preclude the use of depleted uranium shells.
Interesting this last one because while “Standard Operating Procedure” (they say) for non DU to be used on Garvie Island and Cape Wrath (which we know is bullshit), they then say “but we didn’t need any approval from the EU to use DU in France”. Fcuk the french then too huh? So WHY is it the Standard Operating Procedure not to use it? Perhaps because they’re scared to admit it because they KNOW what the impact and effects aret’s take them at their word (haha). They know the shit it causes so they don’t use it in the UK but they’ll use it in France.
Check your Frogs Legs Parisians!
You have to admit, the hypocrisy, if nothing else, is absolutely outrageous!
Depleted Uranium Shells
HC Deb 16 July 1993 vol 228 cc707-8W707W
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if, pursuant to his answers to the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond) of 1 July,Official Report, columns 630–31, when he expects to begin the environmental impact assessment at Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright. respectively, to which he refers; if Her Majesty’s Health and Safety Executive produced a report following its 1986 visit to Kirkcudbright; and if Her Majesty’s inspectorate of pollution produced published reports following the visits to Eskmeals in 1989 and 1993 to which he refers.
§Mr. Aitken
My Department is already in the process of commissioning independent consultants to undertake an environmental impact assessment at both Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright. A suitable company will be engaged by late summer or early autumn. The Health and Safety Executive did produce a report following its 1986 visit to Kirkcudbright. Her Majesty’s inspectorate of pollution did not produce published reports following its visits to Eskmeals in 1989 and 1993.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what studies his Department has conducted on the pyrophoric qualities of depleted uranium when distributed into particulate matter on impact in an armour-piercing shell.
§Mr. Aitken
Neither the Ministry of Defence nor the Defence Research Agency has conducted studies or trials specifically addressing this phenomenon. Data available from United States sources indicate that it has no military significance.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 2 July,Official Report, column 639, if Her Majesty’s Government made any submissions to the European Commission, pursuant to article 34 of chapter III of the Euratom treaty, when United Kingdom depleted uranium shells were tested at La Gramat in France in 1990.
§Mr. Aitken
The Euratom treaty does not apply to military activities. There was therefore no requirement to make any submission to the European Commission regarding the testing of depleted uranium shells at Gramat in France.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence when British Nuclear Fuels was awarded the contract to monitor for radioactivity at the Dundrennan test range at Kirkcudbright following the testing of depleted uranium shells; and if the monitoring reports have been published.
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§Mr. Aitken
British Nuclear Fuel’s contract to analyse samples from the Kirkcudbright range commenced on 1 May 1992 and was renewed earlier this year. As I indicated in my reply to the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond) on 1 July 1993,Official Report, column 630, copies of the monitoring reports on the three ranges where DU rounds have been fired will be placed in the House of Commons Library once they have been checked to confirm that no classified information is included.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence where the tests for the armour-piercing capability of depleted uranium shells are conducted.
§Mr. Aitken
All tests in the United Kingdom of the armour-piercing capability of DU shells are carried out in the enclosed butt facility, known locally as “VJ Battery”, at Eskmeals. The tests at Kirkcudbright are to test the range and accuracy of DU rounds and no firings have ever been carried out against armour targets there.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the answer of 5 July,Official Report, column 51, if he will set out (a) how many depleted uranium shells have been recovered following test firing into the Solway firth and (b) what monitoring has been undertaken of the Solway firth as to radioactive contamination from the shells.
§Mr. Aitken
No DU rounds have been recovered from the Solway firth to date. Environmental monitoring arrangements are set out in the reply of my hon. Friend the Minister of State for the Armed Forces’ to the hon. Member for Pembroke (Mr. Ainger) on 14 June,Official Report, column 474.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 02 February 2001 vol 362 c311W311W
§Mr. Duncan Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence which aircraft in service with the armed forces use depleted uranium for ballast; and if he will make a statement. [148349]
§Mr. Spellar
The following aircraft contain depleted uranium‘Tristar—elevator and rudder balance weights are made from depleted uranium.’‘C130—elevator counterbalance weights are made from depleted uranium.’‘Wessex—a small number of Wessex helicopters in MOD museuMs and training schools are fitted with depleted uranium ballast weights on their main rotor blade tips.’
We are continuing to investigate whether depleted uranium is also present in Gazelle helicopter tail rotor tip weights. I will write to the hon. Member to advise him of the outcome of this work.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 07 February 2001 vol 362 cc519-22W519W
§Mr. Swinney
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how United Kingdom forces in the Balkans were warned to stay clear of areas in which depleted uranium ammunition had been expended; what precautions they were required to take if they were obliged to enter these areas; what monitoring of their physical welfare took place thereafter; and on what date such precautionary warnings and measures were first announced. [145136]
§Mr. Spellar:
[holding answer 15 January 2001]: Specialist explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) troops should be aware of the risks presented by expended DU ammunition through routine training and instructions. EOD troops are most at risk from expended DU ammunition when clearing Armoured Fighting Vehicles. In these circumstances, they are required to wear inner cotton gloves, outer heavy PVC gloves, a Service respirator, a full NBC suit and a Thermoluminescent Dosimeter until the presence of DU can be positively discounted.
[Ah but no issues with the use of DU! That's all just for safety you know even though DU is not in the least bit dangerous! Honest 'Guv]
Gulf War Syndrome
HC Deb 19 July 1994 vol 247 cc160-2160
§2.Mr. Ronnie Campbell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will set up an independent inquiry into Gulf war syndrome.
§The Minister of State for the Armed Forces (Mr. Jeremy Hanley)
I have no intention of doing so, as there 161 remains no clinical evidence that those who served in the British armed forces in the Gulf conflict are suffering from unexplained symptoms that would call for such an inquiry.
§Mr. Campbell
If the Americans have discovered that there is such a disease and are paying compensation to their armed forces, should not we be paying ours and taking a serious look at the problems facing them? Or is it the case that when there is a war, we wave the union flag and tell our lads how good they are before they go abroad to fight and call them heroes, but turn our back on them when they need our help? It is always the same with this Government and they have been 50-faced on this issue—let us pay our lads now.
§Mr. Hanley
Two points need to be made in answer to that question. First, in July last year I invited anyone who believed that he was suffering from the syndrome to which the hon. Gentleman referred to come forward. In the whole of last year, 52 people came forward, of whom 27 have now seen medical examiners—their general practitioners —and 17 have been found to be suffering from recognised health conditions, none of them peculiar to their service in the Gulf. Solicitors have also put forward the names of some 300 further people, but we have not been given details about them and they have not submitted themselves to medical examination. We are, therefore, trying to do all that we can to ascertain whether their illnesses have been caused by anything that happened in the Gulf, but, at the moment, the evidence is to the contrary.
Secondly, on the American evidence, I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman is taking the words of Back Benchers —be they Senators or Congressmen—and making them into a claim by the Pentagon. There is absolutely no evidence from the United States that there is a “syndrome”, and there is certainly no scientific or medical evidence of chemical or biological warfare being deployed against us, on any level.
§Mr. Fabricant
Is not it the case that the shells that have been accused of causing the syndrome are made of depleted heavy metals with a lower atomic number than the normal isotope? Would not anyone with an A-level or even an O-level in physics know that there is less radioactivity in such shells than in the luminous dial of an average watch? [Who the FCUK is this asshole?]
§Mr. Hanley
My hon. Friend is absolutely right to say that one of the possible causes of any so-called Gulf war syndrome was depleted uranium shells and that the toxicity of depleted uranium is similar to that of lead.
§Rev. Martin Smyth
Does the Minister agree that there may be a case for an investigation, not necessarily into what happened to British troops in the Gulf but into pre-medication against possible poison gas attacks? Is not there something that we could learn for the future?
§Mr. Hanley
The hon. Gentleman is right to say that yet another suspected cause of a possible syndrome were the injections given to our troops before they left. It has all been investigated carefully, and the Surgeon General recently wrote to the British Medical Journal to say that there was absolutely no evidence of any cause from the source to which the hon. Gentleman referred.
Depleted Uranium: Munitions and Materials
HL Deb 12 February 1998 vol 585 cc217-8WA217WA
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
Whether they are conducting, or intend to conduct, any research into the short and long term effects upon humans, animals and the environment of the use of depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials; and, if not, why not. [HL388]
§Lord Gilbert
The UK Government are not conducting any experimental work specifically on the short or long term effects of depleted uranium on humans, animals or the environment. However, in order to inform the MoD’s research strategy on the management of wounds in the military environment, a review is being conducted of current developments and future trends in munitions that may have clinical implications for the treatment of injured servicemen and women. This review will take into account the radiological and toxicological health hazards posed by the use of depleted uranium ammunition by opposing military forces, which are well understood. In addition, studies have been carried out by the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency into the rate of corrosion of depleted uranium in the marine environment.
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What is their current scientific advice as to the environmental effects of using depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials within the military test ranges located in the United Kingdom, in both the short and the long term; and [HL386]
What information they have given to communities living in close proximity to military test ranges as to the environmental and public health hazards, now and in the future, of depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials used on ranges located in the United Kingdom. [HL387]
§Lord Gilbert
During September 1993, local councillors and members of the press were invited onto the ranges at Kirkcudbright and Eskmeals, and were given presentations on environmental monitoring and the possible health hazards associated with depleted uranium firings.
A detailed review of the environmental impact of depleted uranium firings on these ranges was undertaken by an independent environmental consultant, W. S. Atkins, in 1995. The consultant concluded that the radiation doses to members of the public, and the associated risks from exposure to depleted uranium released into the environment, were extremely low. Environmental monitoring completed by the MoD since the Atkins’ report was published has confirmed this view. Copies of W. S. Atkins’ environmental impact assessment were supplied to local councils and have also been placed in the House of Commons Library.
218WA
Depleted uranium environmental monitoring reports are written annually for both the Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright ranges. The 1996 reports are due to be released to the local councils for each range in the early part of 1998. It is intended that all future environmental monitoring reports will be made public.
The environmental sampling programmes have shown very low concentrations of depleted uranium in the environment at both sites. The levels of depleted uranium found have been generally lower than the levels of uranium that occur naturally in the environment, and samples taken on request from homes of members of the public show total concentrations of uranium at natural levels. No depleted uranium contamination has been measured in marine environmental samples. The MoD will continue to respond to public concerns, and will provide such environmental monitoring data as may be required.
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What has been the cost to date of research and development of depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials in the United Kingdom, including any products, services or raw materials purchased for civil or military use; and [HL390]
What research and development has been undertaken to date in relation to depleted uranium technology in the United Kingdom; whether this research and development has been conducted unilaterally or jointly with other nations or private organisations; and in which United Kingdom locations. [HL389]
§Lord Gilbert
Research and development work has been carried out by the Ministry of Defence on two tank munitions programmes which use depleted uranium. CHARM 1 and CHARM 3. These anti-tank rounds were developed unilaterally under commercial contracts placed by MoD. The UK locations where this work took place are: Royal Ordnance facilities at Birtley and Featherstone; Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) Aldermaston; the former AWE Cardiff; and MoD ranges at Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright.
The total cost of these programmes is in the region of £200 million. I am withholding information on other MoD research programmes involving depleted uranium under Exemption 1, (Defence, Security and International Relations) of the Code of Practice on access to Government Information. We are not aware of any other research programmes which involve depleted uranium.
Gulf Veterans: Medical Assessment Programme
HL Deb 08 December 1999 vol 607 cc1274-61274
§ 2.48 p.m.
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What is the scope of medical examination and follow-up undertaken for members of HM Armed Forces who were at any time located in or passed through areas contaminated by depleted uranium during and after Operation Granby.
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, the Ministry of Defence’s Medical Assessment Programme is the referral centre for Gulf veterans concerned about their health. Patients attending the Medical Assessment Programme are given a full medical interview and examination and a range of laboratory tests, including urinalysis, haematological, biochemical and serological tests, an ultrasound scan of the abdomen and electrocardiography.
The Medical Assessment Programme may recommend also additional investigations or a referral to another consultant; for example, a patient may be tested for the presence of uranium if there was evidence of possible exposure or if the examining physician felt that there were symptoms to suggest uranium-linked illness. In addition, the Ministry of Defence has offered to arrange independent testing for depleted uranium for those veterans who have had samples tested in Canada.
§The Countess of Mar
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Is he aware that there is a widely held belief among the several thousand Gulf veterans who have been involved in passing through areas where depleted uranium was used during the Gulf war that neither the Minister nor the Medical Assessment Programme understands the problem? Is he also aware that there is a widely held belief that by looking only at the 30 people who have had their urine tested in Canada, the MoD is determined either to discredit the Canadian research or to minimise the problem? Is he aware too that the Gulf veterans now believe that the refusal of the Medical Assessment Programme and the MoD to extend this proposal to all the Gulf veterans who were involved is based only on crass ignorance, gross incompetence or calculated deception?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, I believe that the key issue in this matter is the total load of uranium in the body. The proportion of uranium present as a result of contact with depleted uranium is not relevant to the health aspect. Any patient who attends the MAP may be tested for uranium if there is evidence of possible exposure and if the MAP doctor assesses that that is clinically appropriate.
The noble Countess referred to Canadian testing. The MoD’s line on that was viewed as in some way discrediting the evidence. I hope that that is not the case. We need to see the results of testing by 1275 Dr Durakovic and Dr Sharma before we can reach any conclusion. They have not shown us their results, which is why we are arranging for all those who have been tested to be retested independently of the MoD. Only then shall we know the results and be able to act accordingly. There is no scientific consensus on the issue; for example, Dr Sharma has told us that he does not believe that depleted uranium is responsible for the ill health of Gulf veterans.
§Lord Rea
My Lords, is my noble friend aware—I am sure that he is—that there are persistent anecdotal reports of high or raised levels of cancer, particularly leukaemia, among the women and children of southern Iraq? Will Her Majesty’s Government use their influence to have a proper, expert epidemiological study carried out in southern Iraq by, for example, the World Health Organisation or UNICEF to ascertain what is the truth; and, if there is found to be an increase, whether possibly depleted uranium is responsible?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, the Ministry of Defence is of course aware of the suggestions, particularly those in the press, that the use of depleted uranium-based ammunition during the Gulf conflict has caused an increase in ill health in southern Iraq, including deformities, careers and birth defects. However, we have not seen any peer-reviewed epidemiological research data on that population to support those claims. The Government will, of course, consider carefully any medical or scientific data which may emerge concerning the incidence of ill health in Iraq. With regard to the suggestion of my noble friend, I believe that the MoD will welcome any assessment in this respect for its consideration.
§Lord Swinfen
My Lords, can the Minister tell the House whether there is any increase in birth defects in children born to servicemen who have been in the area of the depleted uranium, as compared with the number of birth defects in the rest of the population?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, I d o not have that information. I shall ascertain whether it is available; if it is, I shall be happy to write to the noble Lord.
§Lord Hughes of Woodside
My Lords, can my noble friend say how many patients have been seen at the MoD assessment centre? Can he give a robust assurance to the House that the matter is being looked at openly and properly and that there is no attempt by the MoD to discredit other people’s opinions or, indeed, to skew the research against the proper interests of those people affected in this matter?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, the number of patients who have passed through the Medical Assessment Programme (to which I referred before as MAP) is 2,906. That was to the end of November 1999. Currently there are 28 patients waiting to attend the programme. A test load is being carried out and, although that may seem a high number, one must take 1276 into account that some 53,000 troops were deployed in the area at that time. I make it quite clear to my noble friend and to the House today that the MoD is sympathetic to Gulf veterans; it will continue with the tests; it will continue to help wherever it possibly can; and it is completely open-minded on the issue. The big problem it faces at the moment is that the evidence available to it is vague and not sufficiently scientifically based for further action to be taken in this area.
§The Earl of Listowel
My Lords, will the Minister say whether any problems are caused by the inhalation of dust from depleted uranium shells?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, I believe that any problems caused by the inhalation of dust may come from the area indicated by the noble Earl.
I’d say “Get the drift?” but then I’d seriously hope you wouldn’t because if that pyrophonic drift happens to drift your way then you’re fcuked! The problem is that it does!
One last thing: You may have noted John Spellar’s contributions in constantly trying to justify or evade the issue of DU in these exchanges. just look a little closer at Spellar:
Spellar was Comptroller of the Household and the third most senior whip in the Whips’ Office between October 2008 and May 2010.
So you know what HIS role is then!
And he’s one of the Queen’s “boys”: When Tony Blair formed his government in 1997, Spellar was appointed Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the Ministry of Defence, being promoted to become Minister of State for the Armed Forces in 1999. He was appointed to the Privy Council in 2001.
And, of course, the Labour Friends of ISRAEL:
TheyWorkforyou (my ass) Member’s Interests ?p=10558
Please also note, as an aside, that Spellar has made almost £1M from expenses alone since 2001. Who needs a salary when you’re getting paid expenses like that?
Lastly. from his Parliamentary biography, note his “Political Interests”:
Political interests
Energy, electronics industry, motor industry, construction industry, defence
Just have a little delvnd he’s invested in most of this I’m sure. Then he lobbies for his interests. It’s a nice job! Get an MP’s salary, an MP’s expenses AND lobby (and create) which makes sure YOU profit.
Great life: A FUCKING CRIMINAL ONE but it’s legalized!
Britain’s Labor Party has been trying to rebrand itself lately after a 13-year spell in government. During an annual conference, the most memorable remark by its leader Ed Miliband was “I am not Tony Blair.”
This commitment to change does not appear to have affected Labor’s stance on the Middle East. John Spellar, a shadow Foreign Office minister, has an especially close relationship with London’s pro-Israel lobby.
An inspection of Spellar’s declaration of interests shows that he travelled to the Herzliya security conference, one of the key events on the Israeli political calendar, in February. His airfare and accommodation (estimated total: £1,970 or $3,170) was paid for by David Menton, a director of the Britain Israel Research Center (BICOM). In its own words, that lobby outfit is “dedicated to creating a more supportive environment for Israel in Britain.”
Thanks to a source who shall remain nameless, I also learned that Spellar’s researcher Linda Smith is a partner of BICOM staff member Luke Akehurst (a former spindoctor for the arms industry). Smith and Akehurst both serve as Labor members of Hackney Council, a local authority in London.
I emailed Smith earlier today, asking if her views on the Middle East differ from those of Akehurst but did not receive a reply. Spellar has also not responded to a request for comment.
Lobby at center of resignation scandal
This information about Spellar’s connection to BICOM appears all the more significant given the organization’s role in a controversy leading to the recent resignation of Liam Fox as Britain’s defense secretary. Fox, who belongs to the Conservative Party, was severely embarrassed over revelations that his close friend Adam Werritty was posing as his official adviser during foreign travels, when Werritty had been given no such job by the British government. The Guardian newspaper revealed that Werritty’s jet-set lifestyle was being bankrolled by three prosperous Zionists. They included Poju Zabludowicz, BICOM’s chairman. When Werritty attended the 2009 Herzilya conference, his expenses were covered by BICOM.
David Menton, the man who picked up the tab for Spellar’s trip to Israel earlier this year, is a business associate of Zabludowicz, a billionaire who owns a sizeable chunk of Las Vegas. Menton is a founder of Synova Capital, a private equity fund. According to Synova’s website, the fund’s “cornerstone investor” is the Tamares Group, which is led by Zabludowicz.
I was intrigued to read an article by Spellar, in which he bragged of Labor’s affinity with the poor. It is difficult to square that posture with his willingness to go on junkets funded by a wealthy supporter of Israel, a state that denies an entire people their most elementary rights.
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BILDERBERG: OUTED!
BILDERBERG: You’re finished! The problem remains however that the people behind you aren’t… yet!
Your David Rockefellers, Tony Blairs, Gideon Osbornes, Ken Clarkes, every last one of you TREASONOUS BASTARDS who have attended this organisation’s meetings for the last 60 years and pushed through the agenda (via your working groups of the RIIA, CFR, Trilateral Commission etc etc) of destroying national sovereignty, planning and executing wars worldwide, crashing the financial system for your benefit and colluding in crimes against humanity, are finished. It is time for the people to lock you all up for life. And in our language life MEANS life!
Gerard Batten MEP in EU Parliament. He’s slow though because the UK treasury has admitted through a FOI request that, indeed, policy IS discussed (therefore made) in Bilderberg meetings. Why he doesn’t just come right out and say it is beyond me!
Now, you “Detectives” out there in your airy fairy land of just doing as you’re told by a bunch of black robe wearing judicial twats and who spend your days scouring over something pathetic which pales in any significance yet is for the purpose of exposing the REAL crimes such as this – why don’t you do a job which reflects the supposed nature of your position and investigate REAL criminals? Oh but DAMN I keep forgetting it is the real criminals who control the system which you protect and that pays your wages to scour the hard drives of people like me now isn’t it? So, in fact, you’re the criminals’ protective unit. You’re the “Mafia police” in essence. Yet you expect us, the public to trust you to keep law and order? Who’s “law” and who’s “Order”?
And you know the sad thing Detective Manchester? You all seem to be doing it believing you’re doing the right thing while the very system you protect is destroying the wealth and the safety of all your own – your mother, your father, your sister, brother, cousins, friends etc. Look in the mirror bud and work it out!
Here’s a little starter for 10 for you. See how bright you are to pick up on this and do your own investigation shall we? Or is it too big and you’d rather just have an easy life behind that desk picking on the little guy? The little guy who, in fact, is the equivalent of you and yours. You just don’t get it do you Detective?
“An influential Jewish European banker reveals that the ruling elite in Europe is
now telling their minions that the West is on the brink of total financial
meltdown; so the only way to save their precious investments is to bet on the
new global crisis centered around the Middle East, which replaced the crisis
evolving around the Cold War. “
Asia Times May 2003: EE22Ak03.html
“As if an ever expanding war were not bad enough, the economic outlook
presented to the gathered plutocrats, was even grimmer since it was not overlaid
with the blustering confidence of the Washington war party. In contrast to the
geopolitical experts, who all seemed intoxicated by the omnipotence of the
U.S.military machine, the economic experts — including James Wolfensohn,
President of the World Bank, Paul Volcker the former chairman of the Federal
Reserve Board, and, of course Buffet himself — all emphasized the impotence of
monetary and fiscal policy after the collapse of one of the great speculative
bubbles of all time.
“To make matters worse, the assembled company generally agreed that America
and Britain, would soon be threatened by the new bubbles in the property
markets……..”
London Times Sept 2002: http://www.nogw.com/articles/rothchildmeeting.html
Now, think logically detective. How could these reports POSSIBLY have been made up as any kind of propaganda? They were YEARS before this so called “out of the blue” crash while the wars around the middle east have all come to pass as have so many others. So WHO had the “crystal ball” Detective? The reporters? Or the people in that Bilderberg meeting? It’s GOT to be one of the two right? So I’ll leave it up to the detective capabilities of the Scottish detectives themselves to figure it out. After all, by god you can “detect” me for having a bit of a ‘conflict of words’ with an alleged jew on a messageboard. Is that the best detective work you can do Detectives? 
We should all sleep safe and sound in our beds thenin the comfort of knowing our detectives can detect a little spat on a messageboard and get stright into action huh? Keeping the world free of corruption and crime I see! hahahaha. It’s hilarious, sorry detective but it really is! 
Meanwhile, you just need to read a few things dating back into the 90s and you will see the “genesis” of all of this being prepared by Zionist neocons and Obama’s own mentor.
So here’s dear old Lord Chancellor Ken. Proven lying bastard by yours truly simply taking his words and comparing them to the reality and the words of the UK treasury. Can’t get ANY FCUKING SIMPLER than that now can we “Detective”?
But Detective, you’re not allowed to have a political opinion! That’s out of your remit! You’re forbidden from holding one and, therefore, you are simply controlled by the very people you should be enforcing the law upon! Have you ever looked up not only International law but British law regarding war crimes? If you did you would readily see that the British government (Tony Blair and now Cameron for two examples) are 100% guilty of warcrimes. Where’s the handcuffs Detective? ….. Nowhere. And you know why? Because YOU are one controlled lackey who is disallowed from intefering in politics when it is the politicians themselves who are destroying this country from the inside and out. You’re IMPOTENT man and while you steal my property, I actually feel sorry for you! You’re BLIND.
And here you have an outright confession of guilt – yes Mr Detective guilt because to state as is stated is admitting an all out attack on the sovereignty of nations. Not by tanks (unless you’re a Libya or Iraq etc) but by financial WMDs and the bribery of politicians to take the money and then legislate in your favour opposing the constitutional basis of the nation(s).
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
Read again SLOWLY Detective! He says OTHERS characterize him as conspiring with others but he then states in pure hubris that he pleads guilty AND he’s proud of it!
Are you fcuking thick Detective?
If the Council as a body has stood for anything these 75 years, it has been for American internationalism based on American interests. If the Council has had influence during this period, it has derived from individual members taking the varied and often conflicting fare of Council meetings and publications to a wider American audience. From Foreign Affairs articles by W.E.B. DuBois and George F. Kennan to books by Henry A. Kissinger and Stanley Hoffmann, the Council’s role has been to find the best minds and leaders, bring them together with other Council members, and provide forum and stage.
Leslie H. Gelb
President,
Council on Foreign Relations
Now did that say “British public interests”? No it didn’t. How fcuking clear does this have to be for you “Detectives”??
As for our War criminal extraordinaire, Tony Blair, well who do you think this guy Rockefeller is talking about when he describes himself as an internationalist and CONSPIRING with others to bring about an integrated world political and economic structure (World Government in other words run by banks and corporations and that just means purely for THEIR profit)? Well here’s an example:
Evelyn and Lynn Forester De Rothschild
And who was it that ensured our resident war criminal (who is now still being protected by you lot using OUR taxpayers money because he’s afraid the taxpayers may want his blood for the shedding of theirs due to his lies – ironic isn’t it?) got his cushy job at JP Morgan at $2M/year while it is now mainstream that Blair was in Libya during his No.10 tenancy doing deals FOR JP Morgan?
[The VERY SAME oligarch who was involved in the Rothschild/Gideon Osbourne yacht scandal just a couple of years ago! Deripaska, the Rothschild goon! Isn't it funny how Rothschild is in on the game with the very same faces influencing (and bribing) Blair, Mandelson, Osbourne - it doesn't matter who or what side of the political fence they are because politics is the sham to display to the unread and uneducated: Libyan-link-oligarch-funded-Blair-initiative.html
Behind the scenes you see on the telly and in the press, all these political whores work for the same masters and are rewarded for it. While you "Detectives" haven't a fcuking clue!]
It was the fcuking Rothschilds. Yes those same scum who own and control and first funded the set up of the zionist state of Israel. Our Tony, of course, then becomes also the Middle Easy PEACE envoy! You couldn’t make this shit up Mr Detective!!
“The event is being arranged by Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, who hosts
influential gatherings for London’s elite. Those invited include at least seven
billionaires with a combined wealth of more than £25billion.
Invitations to Downing Street were given to tycoons willing to donate more
than $25,000 (£13,000) to the Tate gallery. Organisers of the event, American
Patrons of Tate, which Lady Rothschild chairs, claimed the No 10 evening is part
of wider fundraising efforts for the gallery, and that the main event will be a
dinner in Manhattan, which will not be attended by the Blairs.”
Blair-invites-billionaires-exclusive-No-10-party.html
The coincidences eh? Now here’s another one:
Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank
General Charles Ronald Llewelyn Guthrie, Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank, GCB, LVO, OBE, DL, KCSG, KM, KCJCO (born 17 November 1938) was Chief of the Defence Staff between 1997 and 2001 and Chief of the General Staff, the professional head of the British Army, between 1994 and 1997.
He is a cross bench member of the House of Lords. He was created a life peer as Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank, of Craigiebank in the City of Dundee, after retiring as Chief of the Defence Staff. He was one of the several retired Chiefs of Defence Staff who spoke out in the House of Lords about the risk to servicemen facing liability for their actions before the International Criminal Court, particularly in respect to the invasion of Iraq. He has been appointed Colonel of the Life Guards and Gold Stick-in-Waiting to Her Majesty the Queen.
A Roman Catholic convert, he is a Knight of Malta and Patron of the Cardinal Hume Centre.
Guthrie was criticised in 2008 by George Monbiot for an alleged lack of understanding of international law. Monbiot based his argument on Guthrie’s September 2002 advocacy of an invasion of Iraq and subsequent comments, in which he appeared to support launching “surprise wars”, something forbidden by the United Nations charter.
And here’s the rub:
He is a non-executive director of N M Rothschild & Sons, Ashley Gardens Block 2 Ltd and Colt Defense LLC, (section21.aspx) and Chairman (non-executive) of Siboney Ltd.
Extract from Guthrie’s comments in Parliament re the Iraq war which he fully supported:
“I ask the Minister to answer two questions that he has already been posed. First, when I was Chief of the Defence Staff, I was assured that it was unthinkable for British service men and women to be sent to the International Criminal Court. Can the Minister assure the House that that is still so?
Secondly, can the Government give serious consideration to the British Armed Forces, like the French forces, opting out of their commitment to the European Convention on Human Rights? Many of us feel that we should, in view of our experiences in Iraq.”
Obvious then that he is well aware of the breaking of International law – something he had to support for his boss Rothschild to have Blair and the British military support the imperialistic aims of the internationalists such as Rothschild and Rockefeller.
Excerpt from George Monbiot’s article in the Guardian:
Let me dwell for a moment on what Guthrie said, for he appears to advocate that we retain the right to commit war crimes. States in dispute with each other, the UN charter says, must first seek to solve their differences by “peaceful means” (article 33). If these fail, they should refer the matter to the security council (article 37), which decides what measures should be taken (article 39). Taking the enemy by surprise is a useful tactic in battle, and encounters can be won only if commanders are able to make decisions quickly. But either Guthrie does not understand the difference between a battle and a war – which is unlikely in view of his 44 years of service – or he does not understand the most basic point in international law. Launching a surprise war is forbidden by the charter.
It has become fashionable to scoff at these rules and to dismiss those who support them as pedants and prigs, but they are all that stand between us and the greatest crimes in history. The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg ruled that “to initiate a war of aggression … is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime”. The tribunal’s charter placed “planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression” at the top of the list of war crimes.
If Britain’s most prominent retired general does not understand this, it can only be because he has never been forced to understand it. In September 2002, he argued in the Lords that “the time is approaching when we may have to join the US in operations against Iraq … Strike soon, and the threat will be less and easier to handle. If the UN route fails, I support the second option.” No one in the chamber warned him that he was proposing the supreme international crime. In another Lords debate, Guthrie argued that it was “unthinkable for British servicemen and women to be sent to the International Criminal Court”, regardless of what they might have done. He demanded a guarantee from the government that this would not be allowed to happen, and proposed that the British forces should be allowed to opt out of the European convention on human rights. The grey heads murmured their agreement.
International law is clear as day. While look at another “coincidence”. Guthrie argued in the house of Lords FOR the strike on Iraq in Septemeber 2002. Now re-check the Times article above regarding the meeting at Rothschild’s Waddington Manor – just so happens it was September 2002! How very predictable!
Now let’s take a look at Colt Defence shall we? Of which Guthrie is a non executive Director:
They supply just about the entire world with weapons so who is it we’re fighting? Martians? Otherwise it would appear they sell weapons to anyone and any one of these countries could stage an attack on any other, ignoring for a moment that they will be using the arms to kill their own people then Guthrie and crew say “hey you can’t do that! We sold those weapons to you to shoot pigeons!” (but then I suppose the World Wildlife Fund would be up in arms about that eh Philip?)
“Selecting the weapon that will equip a country’s Armed Forces is a crucial process with strong military and political implications; the best and most combat-proven weapon in the world should therefore be chosen. The example established by the U.S. Armed Forces and the armed forces of more than 90 other nations around the world confirms that Colt weapons significantly increase the field readiness as well as the operational, tactical and strategic capabilities of any country’s Armed Forces.”
“Prior to joining the company, Mr. Flaherty was a Managing Director in the equity capital markets origination business at Banc of America Securities LLC. Prior to joining Banc of America Securities in 2001, Mr. Flaherty was an investment banker at Credit Suisse First Boston.”
An investment banker no less and not only any old one but a Credit Suisse one! And who controls Credit Suisse? None other than dear old David Rockefeller! Now, do you think any and all wars might just be VERY lucrative for old Guthrie and the Rothschilds/Rockefellers of this world?
Now DEAR Detective. All I’m doing is researching and posting my findings online. If some unknown cyber personality then cries wolf and feigns offence while being quite happy to goad people (and there are many more) to be blunt with the little self proclaimed “jew” while he, like you, does not understand the historical and existing impact of zionism on the world INCLUDING the negative impact on the everyday TRUE jew, then that ain’t MY fault Mister!
So, if it’s your wish to continue to sieze MY property – not yours and not the British judiciary’s or the British Government’s – while you act as a protector of liars, thieves and war criminals in your ignorance, then I suggest you check the law. Your actions are both, enabling the ongoing cover up of war crimes and treason, and as a party to such, you are liable and effectively committing the crime of Misprision of Treason.
We urge all civilians to go to New Scotland yard, or their local police station to report UK war criminals, including Tony Blair, Jack Straw, Lawson and around 250 MPs who are all WAR CRIMINALS
For more information and assistance please see
http://makingwarshistory.org
Also
http://taxrebellion.org
And
http://bsnews.info/
Kellogg–Briand Pact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg%E2%80%93Briand_Pact
Nuremberg Trials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
List of war crimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes
• The Genocide Convention, 1948.
• The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948.
• The Nuremberg Principles, 1950.
• The Convention on the Abolition of the Statute of Limitations on War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity, 1968.
• The Geneva Convention on the Laws and Customs of War, 1949; its supplementary protocols, 1977.
But hey, Detective, there may be an answer as to why you’re pissing me about rather than investigate all of this. You see, Zionist Israel can do whatever the hell it wants it seems and when David Cameron professes himself a zionist then what do you expect huh? He even changes British law in the face of International law JUST FOR THEM! Get it? Is it SINKING IN YET?
In the UK the judicial system allowed private parties and individuals to present their own evidence of war crimes before a magistrate who could then, if he or she felt the case was strong enough, issue a warrant for the suspect’s arrest. Consequently, in 2005 retired Israeli General Doron Almog only escaped arrest by skulking in his plane before being flown back to Israel, while in 2009 Kadima party leader Tzipi Livni cancelled her trip rather than face arrest. Other senior Israeli figures simply chose to stay away from Britain.
Sadly on 15 September this means of potentially achieving justice was revoked. In response to Israeli protests the UK government chose to change its laws rather than see Israelis arrested. In a move condemned by Amnesty International, the UK government amended the law on universal jurisdiction so that in future only the Director of Public Prosecutions can authorize the arrest of a suspected war criminal (“Tories make life easier for war criminals,” Liberal Conspiracy, 30 March 2011).
Contradictory grounds
Oddly, the UK government defended its decision on two contradictory grounds. The first reason it put forward is that the evidence used to secure the arrests stands little chance bringing about “a realistic prospect of conviction.”
This is disingenuous, to say the least. As Geoffrey Robertson, a UN appeals judge, states: “The change in the law has nothing to do — as the UK claims — with ensuring that cases proceed on solid evidence. No district judge would issue an arrest warrant lightly (“DPP may get veto power over arrest warrants for war crime suspects,” The Guardian, 22 July 2010).” Secondly, the reason for the arrest is so the suspect cannot flee while further evidence is being gathered. Indeed, this is a common way for domestic investigations to proceed.
The other equally disingenuous reason the UK gave for the change in the law is that arresting suspected war criminals may endanger the non-existent peace process.
This absurd view was advanced by UK Justice Secretary, Kenneth Clarke, who decried the previous law because it constituted a risk to “our ability to help in conflict resolution or to pursue a coherent foreign policy.”
Indeed, claiming that the previously granted arrest warrants had been politically motivated, UK Foreign Secretary William Hague declared, “We cannot have a position where Israeli politicians feel they cannot visit this country.”
However, the UK’s retreat from the implementation of universal jurisdiction is not a lone example of the power of the Israel lobby to affect states’ domestic legislation. A similar shameful episode ensued when Ariel Sharon was indicted before the Belgian courts, in that instance not just Israel but also the United States brought pressure to bear, Donald Rumsfeld going as far as to threaten to move NATO headquarters from Belgium.
Which raises the question, if enforcing international humanitarian law is a threat to peace, then why do we have it?
And from the Guardian:
change-universal-jurisdiction-law
You see Detective… these people aren’t jews they are Zionist Nazis! They are the jews’ nemesis and USE the “jewishness” to create a “shield” around themselves by bringing up the fcuking holocaust for the 2o trillionth time! While they then also evade the charge of racism as they set up a JEWISH ONLY EU Parliament!!
Jewish EU Parliament: 50141
Try THAT if you’re Christian or Muslim!
But the fact is they use this “jewish oppression” tactic over and over while, if you look at who is, in fact, manipulating and controlling all of this, these people ARE NOT oppressed. THEY are the oppressors! And neither are they JEWISH they are ZIONIST first and foremost! They’d slit a jewish throat as quickly as they’d slit yours or mine! You DON’T HAVE THE POWER to create your very own EU PARLIAMENT (contrary to any and all other accepted norms of racial equality, anti-xenophobia and political correctness) UNLESS you have money, influence and power! To suggest these people are oppressed is absolutely ridiculous! Ever heard of “A wolf in sheep’s clothing”? Ask Tony our war criminal. He knows being a Fabian!
Is all this information fcuking with your little brain Detective? Can’t process it? Is that the problem?
Be a good lad Detective. Return the almost £2grand worth of euipment you stole from me for your masters while neither you nor probably them have the slightest clue what the big picture is! After all, you’re not allowed to get involved in politics therefore you’re disallowed to catch the real fcuking criminals!
The biggest crimes of the century against humanity and all you can do is scour hard drives of a bloke who knows it.
Fcuk your idea of “law” mate. The “law” IS an ass! A very corrupt one at that!
New York City Police Foundation — New York
JPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York
City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the
foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen
security in the Big Apple. The money will pay for 1,000 new patrol car laptops,
as well as security monitoring software in the NYPD’s main data center.
New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie
Dimon a note expressing “profound gratitude” for the company’s donation.
“These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe,” Dimon
said. “We’re incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know
how much we value their hard work.”
Then LEARN Detective!…..
James Dimon is the chairman & CEO for JPMorgan Chase & Co. (Bailout Company), a director at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, a corporate fund board member for the Kennedy Center, a director at the Partnership for New York City, a director at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and a director at Catalyst (think tank).
Now look up the letter “D” in the CFR list of membership and what do you get?
And look up “D” in the Trilateral list of membership:
Well would you credit it? Not only does wee Jamie come up on both BUT you also have Evelyn’s wifey Lynn come up on the CFR list.
Now ISN’T it a small world full of nothing but JUST coincidences?
To keep who safe exactly? Answer: JP Morgan, Tony Blair, Bilderberg etc etc etc
You’re bought and paid for Detective! That’s “law” for you!
Get yourself brains detectives! “That’s not a criminal conspiracy that’s just coincidence and democracy in action!”
My lilly white ARSE!
An addendum for our American cousins who read their Constitution. Here’s a man saying he supports what the Tea Party have done to HAVE Americans read their Constitution while he is a liar, a fake and breaks the Logan Act (look up your Logan Act too).
He doesn’t like to even acknowledge the word BILDERBERG. Wake the hell up America!
But I guess just as you never heeded the warnings regarding the Kenyan you’ll not heed this one either will you? They own BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum you slow minded idiots! On BOTH SIDES of the Atlantic!
Chilcott/Iraq Enquiry: Telegraph Sat 14th May 2011
2 people
website when she openly declared that the “Judge makes it illegal for me to buy
a loaf of bread.” That website has since been taken down (http://www.afbio.co.uk/Warrent…
but has been copied by other third parties and stored in many secret
locations both within the UK and overseas.
The article below is the one that Ms Tara Andria
Davison wrote herself and released on the same webpage to explain the
injustices that she had encountered. One can clearly see that what she had to reveal at the Iraq Inquiry (Chilcot) was exceptional
evidence. Here is that story in her own words:
DERBY
POLICE SEIZE DOCUMENTS WANTED BY THE IRAQ INQUIRY
Home House
of Lords Gordon Brown Derby Police Fraud Victims & Investigation Arms
to Iraq Documents Pedophile
Investigations Contact Me
ARE
CIVIL POLICE BEING USED FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES HERALDING A POLICE STATE IN THE
UK
Nick
Clegg is asking the people to tell him
what laws they want repealed.
Please
Tell Nick Clegg to repeal the Proceeds of Crime Act
http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/…
Sign
petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/repealpca/
Press
Article Guantanamo Bay? No, Derby…
In
a new ‘Arms to Iraq’ scandal Judge John Burgess sitting in private issued a
Court Order which in effect prevents me from even buying a loaf of bread or
food for my cat and specifically prohibits me from paying for any legal help to
challenge the Court Order he made. The
evidence Judge Burgess relied on was supplied in a witness statement made by
Derby Police Officer DC Stephen William Winnard and Authorised by Chief
Superintendent Anthony Blockley. This statement is littered with obvious
falsehoods and fabrications. The question is why ?
The
Iraq Inquiry headed by Sir John Chilcot is calling on me to supply sensitive
evidence which was seized by the Derby Police mid January 2010. I am a former
adviser to the Trade and Industry Select Committee on Arms to Iraq is
struggling to know what to do. As she did when giving evidence to the Scott
Inquiry into Arms o Iraq she expected to do so in total secrecy but the actions
of Derby police have made this impossible.
The
Iraq enquiry set up by Gordon Brown is convened for the purpose of examining
the United Kingdom’s involvement in Iraq, including the way decisions were made
and actions taken, to establish as accurately and reliably as possible what
happened, and to identify lessons that can be learned. The Inquiry is
considering the period from 2001 up to the end of July 2009.
Gordon
Brown (then Prime Minister) told the House of Commons, “no British document and
no British witness will be beyond the scope of the Inquiry.” The Government has
assured the Inquiry of the full co-operation of the relevant Departments.
But
conversely Brown either colluded, organised or aided and abetted Derby police
seizing documents, mid January 2010, which were pertinent to the inquiry
implicating himself in a cover-up. Five
weeks later he would himself be called to the Inquiry to give evidence.
These
Iraq documents were seized by DC Steven Winnard on the 13th of January just
weeks before they were due to be presented to the Iraq Inquiry. Although by now
everyone in the New Coalition Government knows about the seizure of the Iraq
Documents from me they have not been returned.
Hywell
Williams MP of Plaid Cymru whos party originated and led the call to impeach
Tony Blair, in 2004 because of Blair’s decision to engage in an illegal war
with Iraq, is making enquiries but so far without success. On the 22nd of July
Nick Clegg declaired to Parliment from the despatch box that the war in iraq
was “illegal” . That is what the my documents stolen by the Derby
police prove.
MY
EARLY HISTORY IN EXPOSING ARMS TO IRAQ
Back
in 1989 whilst I was investigating covert arms shipments concurrently with an
investigation into the International
Paedophile Network I was given documents proving the then Conservative
Government were selling arms to Iraq. On
instructions I went to see Neil Kinnock at his home and he put me in touch with
Alan Rodgers. From this first meeting I was pivoted into the forefront of
exposing ‘arms to Iraq’.
TRADE
AND INDUSTRY SELECT COMMITTEE INTO ARMS TO IRAQ
AND THE ‘SCOTT’ ENQUIRY
I
went on to be an intelligence advisor to the Trade and Industry Select
Committee on ‘Arms to Iraq’. Then gave evidence to Lord Justice Scott and a
written submission which is kept in a secret room along with other evidence
given in secret, but now siezed by the
Derby Police. I also worked with Tony
Blair who was then shaddow Home
Secretary exposing the Paedofile Network within the Police and high
places. Exposing illicit arms deals and
highly placed paedofiles is very dangerous work and when I was eventually able
to retire from front line involvement
I sold my home
and kept my whereabouts and
identity as secure as I could without being given a new identity to protect me.
13
MALE POLICE OFFICERS RAID MY FLAT AND KEEP ME IN MY NIGHTCLOTHES ALL DAY
On
the 13th of January, I was alone in my flat and asleep when the Derby
Police headed by DC Stephen
Winnard raided my flat in North Wales with 12 other
male officers executing a warrant
obtained under Proceeds of Crime Act.
At the same time they raided
the flat downstairs, occupied
by DW a man with
Top Secret Clearance, and also
the communal areas of the property. They seized almost every document and
everything of value from myself and DW who has never been interviewed or spoken
to by the Derby Police. Amongst
their trove they seized
documents specifically excluded,
letters from my solicitors, medical details about my illness,
journalistic material and further to this a large amount of documents, note books,
discs, and tapes on the illicit arms
trade and ‘Arms to Iraq’ plus letters from Gordon Brown and other
Labour and Conservative politicians.
WARRENT
ISSUED BY JUDGE JOHN BURGESS ON AFFIDAVIT OF DC WINNARD
This
warrant was obtained from Judge Burgess, the same Crown Court Judge who 3
months later was to issue a restraint order against me. The apparent grounds for issuing the warrant
was that I had provided a client, calling himself Robin Jacob, with a
mailing address at MAOS Mail services in Hyde, Cheshire and I had dealt with his mail and that Robin
Jacob had committed an International Fraud through his company Regal and Archer
which was formed by Turner and Little.
After
spending about 9 hours putting all my property and that of DW into
cardboard boxes, and having searched the
property for drugs and cash with a
sniffer dog, I was finally allowed to
get dressed so that I could be arrested
and taken into custody. They arrested me for International fraud in 2007 and 2008 telling
my duty solicitor I was the mastermind.
I was deposited back home that night at about 8 pm to a devastated
house. It was like being raped and
burgled but unable to go to the Police, because it was the Police.
LORD
DOUGLAS HOYLE PERSONALLY GIVES MY LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER GORDON BROWN
Shocked
I contacted a former member of the Trade and Industry Select Committee now in
the Lords. Lord Douglas Hoyle was astounded by what had happened and concluded
that it must be political. There was no
way that the seizure of documents on arms to Iraq in an alleged fraud case
covering 2007 and 2008 could be legitimate
Also in 2007 I was very ill after being diagnosed with an incurable
illness. which left me confused and
weak..
After
writing a letter to Gordon Brown I arranged with Lord Hoyle to have this letter
given directly to The Prime Minister advising him about the stolen documents.
Lord Hoyle later confirmed he had personally passed my letter directly to
Gordon Brown and that if Gordon Brown wanted more information he would ask for
it through him.
RESTRAINT
ORDER ISSUED ON WITNESS STATEMENT OF DC
WINNARD IN WHICH HE LIED TO THE COURT
AND OMMITTED MATERIAL FACTS
Two
months later on the 16th of April Judge Burgess made a Restraint Order against
me relying on evidence from the witness statement of DC Stephen Winnard. This Restraint Order prohibits me from
spending my own money, allowing me only to spend money received from State
Benefits. But DC Winnard a financial investigator accredited by the Director of
National Policing Improvement Agency knew that I was not in receipt of any
State Benefits.
Because
of the Statement made by DC Stephen Winnard with the signed approval of Chief Superintendent Anthony Blockley using the power invested in Judge john Burgess by the Court, they
together made it illegal for me to buy a
loaf of bread or buy food for my cat and if I did I could be fined or imprisoned for Contempt of Court.
This is inhuman and degrading treatment against a vulnerable older lady, who
they have already mentally tortured for 4 months, making unsubstantiated
allegations that I am the mastermind behind this international fraud and
threatening to confiscate my only home as the proceeds of crime. If it were not for the ‘Arms to Iraq’
documents it would make no sense at all, although some victims believe the
government is trying to protect the real fraudsters. I have not been charged with this offence,
but after writing this there may be an anxious to silence me.
REGAL
AND ARCHER AND QUANTUM HOLDINGS CAMPANIES I HAVE NO CONTROLE OVER OR INTEREST
IN
The
Derby Police in a court document name the two companies involved Regal and
Archer LLC and Quantum Holdings Ltd with bank accounts in Cyprus claiming I
control these companies. They also claim
the fraud is about £1.5 million. From
what they say and write it would appear this is the sum of their
knowledge about massive frauds of multiple millions covering the globe
What
makes their ignorance not credible is that details about the massive fraud are
all over the Net. Anyone with a
computer can discover that Regal and Archer and Quantum Holdings Ltd are just
middle companies in a huge list of companies set-up by an international group
of multi million dollars fraudsters who were operating months after my arrest
through a company called Heritage Benefits Financial Limited (HBF) on April the
1st AMF the regulatory and oversight body for Québec’s financial sector warned
investors not to invest in HBF. HBF is a
company directly linked to Regal and Archer.
FRAUD
IS STILL GOING ON
If you go onto www.complaintsboard.com and
www.fraudnet.info and numerous other sites you can read the complaints of
victims from 2004 to April 2010. The victims give a huge amount of detail,
names fax and telephone numbers and addresses.
Regal and Archer and Quantum Holdings are just links in a chain I have
looked at another 20 companies used by the same Gang and there are more. This is a massive ongoing fraud the gang
simply ditch a company when it becomes troublesome and move on. You would have
to be the worst detective in the world to arrest an older lady of limited means
living in a terraced house in a small village in North Wales as the Mastermind
behind this multi million pound international ongoing Fraud. But that suspiciously is what the Derby
police have done
MY
ARMS TO IRAQ DOCUMENTS STILL MISSING
The
whereabouts of my arms to Iraq documents together with all the rest of my
property are unknown to me. All I can
do is rely on you the reader to protect me from this inhuman and degrading
treatment which appears to be sanctioned at a high level.End of Tara Davison articleSo folks now you can truly see one almighty cover up all of which is linked to massive corporate fraud who are in bed with the banks and the political elite……
information that was vital to have been included in the Chilcott Inquiry (Iraq)
was intentionally seized and kept under lock and key by the Derbyshire Police.
On
can only assume that the orders to carry out this raid was authorised by
the Prime Minister at the time, Gordon Brown and yet this information was
regarding illegal arms trading by the Conservative Party, so why would they not
want this information to be included?
The
purpose of the Iraq Inquiry was basically to clear all blame on ex PM Tony
Blair in order for him to move forward in his political/commercial life.
Could it be that something more sinister lay behind this inquiry that involved
both the Tory Party and the Labour Party?
Let’s
just refresh our minds as to what happened in 1989 when a young Tory
researcher, David Cameron (under the apron strings of Maggie
Thatcher) went down to South Africa on a sanctions busting all
expenses paid trip (paid for by ARMSCOR) to Pellindaba a nuclear weapons
facility.
David
Cameron was accompanied by Sir Kenneth Warren and the purpose of the trip was
to purchase three, battlefield ready 20kt nuclear bombs, that
the Conservatives wanted to use on Saddam in the event he did not toe the
line.
Under
the UN radar, South Africa, with the help of Israel, developed ten bombs and
test fired one at Prince Edward Island to the South of the country.
This
left nine weapons that caused South Africa, US, UK and Israel great concern as
they did not want them to fall into the hands of the next black regime.
The
plan was to ship the entire load to Chicago for decommissioning but Maggie
Thatcher had other ideas and so just before she finished in office she signed
and Urgent Operational Requirement document that list three cylinders.
They
were prepared and shipped in standard 20 foot sea containers from Durban to
Oman without any security. There was a hidden observation window so that the
core temperature could be checked as required.
The
deal was arranged privately using British Taxpayers money involving the arms
dealer John Bredenkamp with the assistance of Sir Mark Thatcher and many high
profile politicians. £17.8 million was syphoned off and went into the Tory Party
Election Fund………this money was exposed by the Labour Party in Parliament
by Lord Doug Hoyle and Margaret Beckett MP and is listed in Hansard June 22
1993 from Column 197.
The
nuclear bombs arrived in Oman and were put into an insecure compound and
checked by Dr. David Kelly who had the responsibility to look after the weapons
and check that they were in good condition prior to the release of the money.
Some
time later the three weapons were stolen by the same arms dealer, John
Bredenkamp and sold on the black market.
It
was believed that these weapons found their way to Iraq but were then moved in
Syria in three ambulances as they were highly mobile.
Tony
Blair with the help of Alastair Campbell then sexed up the Iraq Dossier to
influence the UK into going to war……the only problem was that if having
nuclear bombs was justification for going to war, then we went to war with the
wrong country.
Tony
Blair created the Nuclear Explosions Act which technically would now cause
great concern for many of the players that took part in this highly illegal and
deeply flawed operation.
My
question would be did Ms Tara Davison have some information that could have
blown open this deceit and should her vital evidence have been accepted before
the Chillcot Inquiry>
So
what was taken from the private residence of Ms Davison? My other question
would be how did she manage to remove this classified information without
any detection and how come she was not arrested under the Official Secrets Act?
So
what was taken from her residence by 13 male police officers from the
Derbyshire Constabulary?
Below
is a list that Ms Davison published on her own webpage www.afbio.co.uk before
it was taken down and as you must agree is
extremely sensitive information that for sure should be filed with
the Chillcot Inquiry.
Ms
Davison gave it a title:
Judge
makes it illegal for me to buy a loaf of bread.
Preliminary list
of property seized from the two flats and communal areas.
A very large amount of property was seized during the execution of
the warrant so this list remains not restricted to but including. In effect they took the lifetimes
accumulation of documents and property some
which will only come to light later no doubt
CASH
ETC AND SHARE CERTIFICATES
· Cash ilOO-f.200
· Cash
in Euros 200 to 500
· Share
certificates
· Credit
Cards
SOLID GOLD JEWELERY and Watches
· Masonic
Jewels (father was a mason)
· Gold
and Jewellery worth now about £40,000,00
· Watch
Jules Audemars
· Watch
Rolex
PERSONAL
DOCUMENTS
· Passports
· Driving
licence
· Training
Records
· Educational
and Professional Certificates Employment records (clearance correspondence)
· Personal
records concerning security Top Secret Nuclear
· Family
History Records
· Company
Pension Records
· All
insurance documents for property and vehicles
· MOT
certificates
· Family
Photographs
· Parents
death Certificates
· Tax
Records
· Pay
Slips
· All
bank statements and documents with passwords etc. House deeds and original
documents
· Cheque
books personal and business
· Credit
card statements
· Files
of receipts guarantees and instruction books
Keys
· Spare
keys for the House and barn and outbuilding and all keys to the locked gates
· Property
Keys
· Car
Keys
Since
then there have been burglaries and numerous “brake ins”, car doors
opened windows opened and left open etc
EQUIPMENT
· Coolpix
camera with SD Card installed
· Eriksson
Mobile phones 3 off
· 3
other mobile phones
· Electronic
scales
· 2
Desktop computers
· 4
laptops
· Ipaq Personal organiser
· 3 portable hard drives
· I mobile dongle (now paying each month for a service only the derby police can
receive because they have the dongle
SOFTWARE
· Large
box of various software for the computers perhaps 20-30 CD’s
· Windows
· Office
2007
ODDS AND
ENDS
· Fire
proof safety box
· One
wooden 4 draw filing cabinet
ARMS TO
IRAQ DOCUMENTS
Large Box
containing documents not restricted to but including Documents and Records
(some originals and some copies).
· Project
Babylon (supergun) file and corresponded about same
· Biological
weapons and delivery systems in Iraq
· Location
of Planes and WMD’s following Desert Storm
· Mobile
Biological Weapons Laboratory in Iraq
· UK
supply of Biological and Chemical agents to Iraq
· Evidence
given in secret to Lord Justice Scott
· Note
books concerning arms to Iraq
· Production
line facilities in Iraq for CBW
· Gulf
War Syndrome.
· Arms
running through Yugoslavia.
· Electromagnetic
Warfare (star Wars).
· Iraq’s
nuclear programme.
· Hard evidence and papers on investigation by Ministry of Defence
police (fraud Squad) with which I was assisting NATO sensitive.
· Correspondence from Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Gerald Kaufman, Lord
Douglas Hoyle, Lew Smith, Stan Crowther covering several years mostly about
Arms to Iraq and Yugoslavia plus correspondence with Tony Blair about Child
abuse in Children’s Homes in North Wales and
Cheshire.
· Documents concerning a nuclear warhead and group
discussion with Peter Hain, Pete Sawyer, David Lowrey and Peter Hains
researcher Isabell.
· Documents on Jonathan Aitken
including letters from Customs about Jonathan Aitken.
· Computer discs several boxes all
about arms to Iraq and the war in Yugoslavia and the IRA.
· Records cards 1 box dealing with
companies that supplied Iraq one box dealing with the people involved
in the supply of arms to Iraq .
· Record box with cards of those
involved in the Care Homes child abuse enquiry.
· Correspondence Atomic Weapons
Establishment
· Documents concerning the Atomic
Weapons Establishment.
INVESTIGATION INTO PEDOFILES WITHIN THE POLICE AND GOVERNMENT
· Letters from Tony Blair when he was shaddow Home Secretary
· Letters from Kenneth Clarke and others
· Evidence concerning Police Officers, Judiciary, MP’s and
Government Ministers involved
· Witness statements from victims including statements from
witnessess in the Welsh Childress Homes Scandal
· Notebooks containing information and
conversations with victims, carers and whistle blowers
· large amount of index cards with
names and links
· Various documents concerning
International Paedofile Network
· Evidence collected to write various
newspaper and magazine articals calling for a public enquiry
ONGOING
INVESTIGATION
· File
of my ongoing investigation into a fraud (in which I am the victim)
· Hard
Evidence an original signed document
· Hard
evidence in the form of letters
DOCUMENTS
SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM TEE WARRANT
PERSONAL
· Chamber
of mines medical records
· Records
about current incurable illness
· Legal
Council during divorce
· File
of letters from solicitor about property purchase
· Privileged
letters between my solicitor and myself
CLIENT
CONFIDENTIAL
· Client records with confidential details from when I was acting as
an appropriate adult (I was a mental health advocate for over 10 years) and an appropriate adult on
call. Including personal and confidential details of adults who had been abused in the
North Wales Children’s Homes scandal
· Investment Club financial records
· Confidential Client coaching session records
JOURNALISTIC
Material and client in confidence
· Journalistic Material Documents and records of interviews given in
confidence including but not limited
www.afbio.co.uk/Items
Taken.html
End of Ms Davison article
I am sure we would all agree that this was exceptional classified
documentation and should be presented to the Chilcott Inquiry.
Last but not least what that list of Paedophiles that was
discussed with Tony Blair so what happened to that…..was it too sensitive also?
Not to forget the FBI list of known Paedophiles within high places of
government and that were considered to be a security risk to our country.
Could it be that people in high places are Senior Masons and
that this alone put this aspect under lock and key forever?
Maybe we can encourage some feedback on this highly
controversial story!
Mr Spock’s logic – “Danger Captain!” Anonymous
Some of Mr. Spock’s logic was (and is) VERY dangerous!
Consider this: “America (350M people) NEEDS oil. The many NEED to maintain their lifestyle.”
The few, then, are the 1M Iraqis to die for it OR the few may also be the 3000 9/11 victims. THAT is “democracy” or “majority rule”.
OR, in other words: “Collectivism”. Sacrificing a few in 9/11 to ensure you have the support to do what you must do to ensure the needs of the many. You don’t think the real power would do this? Then you are naive in the extreme. They have done it before and shall again. A means to an end. Simple.
This “logic” (which points at the fundamental flaw in what is refered to as “democracy” – majority rule) can be turned around such that the corollary of the statement is “The few can be sacrificed (murdered) for the needs of the many” and may be viewed as killing with some “justifiable” moral impunity. Just as is written in the Articles of the UN Human Rights Law (see the blog “UN legalizes murder”). It is NOT “law” it is a LEGAL document. BIG DIFFERENCE – just ask Thomas Paine!
“…the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” PNAC
“…it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.” Brzezinski – “The Grand Chessboard”
How more clearly stated must this be?
Star Trek United Federation of Planets logo
UN Flag
However, there’s another. And this concerns me quite a lot because some of the particularly more recent suggested “attacks” by this group quite clearly, to me at least, point to the hand of George Soros. Soros wants marijuana legalized for example. All you dope smokers out there I’m sure will shout “hurrah” but you’re missing something (which, again, is clearly stated in my blog “The UN inadvertently confirms Freeman concept”). The Legal world is an absolute con and control mechanism and LEGALIZING marijuana is just what these criminals like Soros want so they can control and regulate, tax and profit from it! This really is not difficult to understand!
What you SHOULD be shouting for, at the minimum, is that marijuana (a naturally growing plant on God’s earth) doesn’t belong to anyone and that includes the government and Soros etc. THEREFORE, it should be removed from any legality whatsoever. Neither legalise it or decriminalize it. It just is what it is. It is nature. But as you know, like everything else on this earth, the criminals (i.e. the so called “elite”) wish to put a price on it – even the air!
You see, what I find VERY strange about this outfit called “Anonymous” is that, while it states it has no leadership. it makes statements. WHO makes the statements for it if it has no leadership? And WHO do they speak for? They ASSUME everyone agrees with them out of the so called 99%? But who ARE they? They then makes statements saying we are ALL “Anonymous” but that is hive mind think or, in Star Trek terms, “Borg like”. This is precisely the kind of thinking this New World Order wants.
Then, we have the fact that this group is getting a hell of a lot of media attention. Do you remember a time that, if there were REAL threats to the established order of such a degree, that it would not be given airtime or column inches because the last thing anyone would want was panic or exposure of the goings on of the criminal elite. They would handle it quietly and set the intelligence services on it to kill it or suppress it whatever the threat was. NOW they promote it on prime time TV news and in the pages of the press.
Now, I’d suggest you use your common sense. This is a psyop!
Gaddafi Inc: Saif doesn’t want the farm so it’s time to cash in.
The Gaddafi clan are negotiating and what we are seeing is an exit strategy in progress.
Thanks for the memories and the cash Libya!
And now the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend I’ll say it clear
I’ll state my case of which I’m certain
I’ve lived a life that’s full
I traveled each and every highway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Regrets I’ve had a few
But then again too few to mention
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Yes there were times I’m sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew
But through it all when there was doubt
I ate it up and spit it out, I faced it all
And I stood tall and did it my way
I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried
I’ve had my fill, my share of losing
And now as tears subside
I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say not in a shy way
Oh no, oh no, not me
I did it my way
For what is a man what has he got
If not himself then he has not
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way
Yes it was my way
**UPDATE (1st April 2011)**
Just found this on CNBC News:
Rebels, in the midst of a war-zone and “civil war” just so happen to have created their own Central Bank? These are some “Rebels” folks!
The Gaddafis were NOT having “secret negotiations” with London and Washington on Nuclear, Chemical and Biological weapons in 2003. THAT is a STORY promulgated by western media. The “secret negotiations” were around the IMF Articles of Agreement VIII. Agreeing to those articles sold Libya lock stock and barrel.
Now Saif is the “darling” of the Rothschilds, Peter Mandelson, Tony Blair, the Bush’s and all the other zionist bastards who are screwing us all to the wall. You see Saif wants his piece of the global “pie”.
Let us take a quick look at the following taken directly from the IMF website which is CRUCIAL background as I trust the reader is aware that the IMF is simply a subsidiary department of the United Nations and that the latter is substantially controlled by the Rockefeller family among others. If you are not aware of the strong influence the Rockefeller family have on the United Nations then I have added a short video at the end of this blog to illustrate it to you:
An IMF mission visited Libya during October 17–28, 2010 to conduct discussions for the 2010 Article IV consultation.
1. The macroeconomic environment is strong, underpinned by large fiscal and external positions and continued efforts to modernize and diversify the economy. The mission commends the authorities on efforts to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy, including by passing a number of critical laws that build on the initiatives launched over the past few years to modernize the economy. These achievements have contributed to the favorable sovereign ratings assigned to the country for the second year by international rating agencies.
Comment: Notice the emphasis on the strength of the Libyan economy overall and the wish to enhance the Private Sector (read: international Corporate and Banking investment). This then provides for “favourable ratings” by Western controlled ratings agencies.
2. The impact of the global financial crisis on Libya has been thus far limited to the decline in oil revenue. This was due to the lack of exposure of domestic banks to the global financial system, limited trade ties outside of the oil sector, and large foreign reserves held in safe assets. The Libyan Investment Authority (LIA) has come through the global financial crisis relatively unscathed. The oil sector has continued to benefit from commitments of foreign direct investment.
Comment: The global crisis hardly touched Libya. The International banking community cannot allow this. They missed out on the plundering of another nation’s wealth (and a VERY wealthy nation as we shall see).
3. Nonhydrocarbon growth has been solid on the backdrop of high domestic demand. Notwithstanding a noticeable fiscal contraction in 2009, nonhydrocarbon real GDP grew by an estimated 6 percent in 2009, mainly driven by investments in construction and in services. Meanwhile, hydrocarbon output declined significantly due to compliance with OPEC quota, resulting in a contraction of overall real GDP by an estimated 1.6 percent. Overall growth is projected to increase markedly to around 10 percent in 2010 due to a sharp increase in oil production. At the same time, nonhydrocarbon growth will also strengthen (to about 7 percent) as a result of large public expenditures.
Comment: Non oil related growth grows by SIX PERCENT in Libya during 2009! Even with a global meltdown. Remember this is NON OIL GDP growth! What growth did the rest of the western world have? ZERO or NEGATIVE. Do you see how attractive Libya is?
4. After a sharp decline in 2009, the fiscal surplus is projected to increase in 2010 mainly owing to the projected recovery in oil revenue.
Comment: Libya has a FISCAL SURPLUS! Not a Fiscal DEFICIT!
5. Broad money is projected to grow by about 10 percent, although the assessment of monetary development has been complicated by numerous revisions.
The banking system is sufficiently capitalized with a regulatory capital ratio of 16.3 percent.
Comment: Now, compare that 16.3% ratio with the following:
“Northern Rock’s core tier one capital ratio – the key measure of financial strength – fell to 2.9pc, far worse than any rivals. Most banks now prefer to operate with a core tier one capital of 6pc or higher.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/2794362/Northern-Rock-loan-to-equity-swap-adds-more-risk.html
Comment: Libya’s banking system has capitalization of almost 3x that of the west on average.
6. The external current account surplus is projected to increase to about 20 percent of GDP in 2010, after a having narrowed sharply in 2009 (16 percent of GDP). Export earnings are projected to rebound in line with the recovery in crude oil output and prices. Imports, while also picking up due to strong domestic demand, have been steadier and remain about a third lower than exports. Net foreign assets of the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) and the LIA have consequently continued to increase, and are projected to reach $150 billion by end-2010 (the equivalent of almost 160 percent of GDP).
Comment: A Country’s wealth in the form of net foreign asset is the value of assets that a
country owns abroad, minus the value of domestic assets owned by foreigners.
In Lane and Milesi-Ferretti (2002), the impact of a country’s
net foreign asset position on its long-run real exchange rate can be described as (i) the
relation between net foreign asset position on the trade balance; and (ii) holding other
fixed determinants, the relation between trade balance and the real exchange rate. The
argument runs as follows: a positive steady state net external asset position enables a
country to run persistence trade deficits; conversely, a country with negative net foreign
assets have to run trade surpluses to service its external liabilities, which requires real
exchange rate depreciation. If the country with negative net foreign assets grows quickly
and manages to earn returns on its foreign assets that are higher than the payouts on its
foreign liabilities, then these favorable conditions translate into a smaller trade surplus
required to stabilize its negative net foreign asset position.
Value of assets that a country owns abroad
-Value of domestic assets owned by foreigners
= Net foreign assets
In practice net foreign assets can be predicted fairly well based on a country’s wealth, population, and a measure of
institutional quality that we take as an underlying determinant of productivity. Net foreign asset positions are positively related to wealth per capita and, controlling for that,
negatively related to institutional quality. In particular, developing countries with better institutional quality (higher productivity) attract more capital inflows and retain more of
their own people’s savings.
So, for comparison, let’s take a look at the relative wealth of Libya in a significant sampling…
First of all,let’s take a look at the NFA/%GDP of a sample of westernized, developed countries.
Note Switzerland, Luxembourg and Norway. Quite exceptional in comparison to the rest aren’t they? What does our UK government say about the importance of being part of the EU? Switzerland is bang in the centre of Europe yet isn’t a part of the EU. Strange that isn’t it? Where is the Bank of International Settlements again? The Central Banks Central Bank. And who owns it?
Now let’s take a look at the top right hand side of the following graph. Libya. On a par with UAE, just behind Kuwait and Hong Kong. Massive Net Foreign Assets per %GDP. Now if you consider Hong Kong, Singapore, UAE, Kuwait and Qatar, I think you may find that they ALL are under “stewardship” of the west. You may wish to check the ownership of Kuwait, UAE and Qatari Oil companies and the concessions granted while Hong Kong and Singapore speak for themselves.
Now this graph is interesting in that it shows clearly the growth of Libya from having just 60% NFA as a percentage of GDP in 1996 to 225% by 2004. So, previously it was at the top of the “nest” with Saudi, Iran and Bahrain but has since eclipsed them rather spectacularly.
The above graph is simply showing how, on average, the oil exporting countries are substantially ahead of the Western industrialized nations (with the one exception – Japan). Now that Oil Exporters’ line is an average remember. Libya is NOT average within that group as we have previously seen.
7. Libya’s economic growth and financial position are expected to strengthen over the medium term as a result of higher oil receipts and investment in the oil sector, the upgrading of infrastructure, the implementation of reforms, and continued interest of foreign investors. Oil production is projected to increase to about 2.5 million barrels per day by 2015 on account of large investments and the utilization of advanced technologies by foreign partners. The non-hydrocarbon sector is also expected to remain buoyant, boosting growth to a projected 8 percent by 2015. Taking into account the authorities’ intention to continue to prioritize spending, the growth of public expenditure is expected to remain moderate at about 7 percent a year in nominal terms. This would also allow for nominal import growth of about 10 percent a year while maintaining current account surpluses of about 20 percent of GDP. Such large surpluses imply correspondingly large increases in foreign assets, with the LIA and CBL’s portfolio projected to reach over $250 billion by 2015.
Comment: In a nutshell, Libya is immensely wealthy while being insufficiently infiltrated by western finance and corporations.
11. The new income tax law passed in January 2010 creates the potential for simplifying tax compliance, reducing discretionary administration and motivating greater compliance. The new law harmonizes the tax rates and reduces them to a flat rate of 10 percent and 20 percent on individuals and corporates, respectively. This law replaces a fairly ad hoc approach, which previously led to tax rates of 15−40 percent. The law also shifts tax compliance to self-assessment with risk-based audits. The mission encourages the authorities to further strengthen tax administration to ensure effective implementation of the new law.
Comment: Compare those tax rates with western equivalents. They are turned on their head! Think about that!
16. Managing effectively the large and rapidly growing portfolio of foreign assets will be a key challenge. In this regard, it will be important to finalize and implement the reserve management policy and investment guidelines, establish systems for measuring and managing risks and returns, develop operational benchmarks, and enhance the reporting framework. The staff stands ready to follow up on the technical assistance provided in June 2010.
Comment: For “managing effectively” read “taking control of”.
18. Progress has been made in modernizing the banking system. While it takes time, efforts should be stepped up to improve the credit culture in Libya through specialized training, targeted awareness campaign, and learning from cross-country experiences in order to spur financial intermediation.
Comment: Get the population hooked on debt! We cannot have them saving money. Without debt we cannot “rape” them. “Modernize” means Credit facilities, credit cards etc.
19. Efforts to deepen the financial market are commendable. There are no more fully government-owned banks, and foreign partners are involved in six out of the 16 operating banks. The increase of foreign bank participation with the granting of one license at the beginning of August will enhance competition, help develop a loan syndication market for the pipeline of foreign investments as well as bring further best practices to the Libyan banking sector.
Comment: Only six. We want more. Plus loans by OUR banks (pipeline of foreign investments). “Best practice” is “improve the environment re debt so that we can invest more into Libya and realise a handsome profit from a debt based culture we have installed and control.”
IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s Statement at the Conclusion of his visit to the Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
Press Release No. 08/290
November 18, 2008
Mr. Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), participated in the fourth annual conference on Progress in Regional Integration and Promotion of Joint Ventures in the Maghreb,1 which took place in Tripoli, Libya. At the conclusion of his visit to Libya Mr. Strauss-Kahn issued the following statement:
“It has been a great pleasure to participate in the conference on Progress in Regional Integration and Promotion of Joint Ventures in the Maghreb and exchange views with finance ministers, central bank governors, the Secretary General of the Arab Maghreb Union, and private sector representatives. I want to thank the Libyan authorities for superbly hosting this conference.
“The world has been facing a very serious global financial crisis, which requires clear and comprehensive action by all countries, and close policy coordination between them. This past week-end, I participated in a summit of the G-20 leaders, which reaffirmed the urgent need for a high degree of international cooperation.
“Based on current policies, our latest projections for growth in 2009 are around 2.2 percent for the world economy and slightly negative for advanced economies. Our assessment is that Maghreb countries would experience only a limited direct impact of the financial turmoil, but they are more vulnerable to a global economic downturn.
[Comment: NO THEY ARE NOT AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM]
“The Maghreb has achieved remarkable progress and has vast potential. All countries in the region have pursued, in the last decade, significant reforms aimed at boosting growth, but they still face major challenges. Maghreb countries aim for an even higher sustained rate of growth that would reduce the still high unemployment rates in the region and raise living standards.
“In the current adverse global environment, it is now particularly urgent to deepen the integration of Maghreb countries to lift private investment and productivity, accelerate growth,
[Comment: That growth engine being debt provided by western banking practices]
reduce unemployment, and improve the region’s resilience to external shocks.
“During this conference, high-level representatives from the Maghreb countries reviewed the progress made in regional integration since the 2005 Algiers Conference and agreed that, while some headway has been achieved, the implementation of the actions adopted in previous conferences will need to be accelerated to further advance regional integration.
“Participants also agreed that trans-Maghreb joint ventures led by the private sector will yield the best allocation of resources to raise productivity, growth, and employment.
“I praised the Tripoli Conference participants for adopting an action plan to accelerate reforms in trade facilitation, financial integration, and the promotion of the private sector and joint ventures. They have agreed to review the progress in the implementation of this action plan in the 2009 Spring and Annual Meetings of the IMF and the World Bank.
“I was also privileged to meet the Leader of Libya, Colonel Gaddafi, the Secretary of the General People’s Committee for Finance, Mr. El-Huweij, and the Governor of the Central Bank, Mr. Bengdara.
“Our discussions confirmed that we share many views on Libya’s economic achievements and key challenges. Ambitious reforms over the past years have yielded strong and increasingly broad-based growth and macroeconomic stability. The key challenge is to sustain the ongoing reforms, including reducing the size of the government. In this regard, the Wealth Distribution Program presents both opportunities and risks. If designed and implemented properly, it could promote the private sector while minimizing the risks for the delivery of basic public services. [Comment: Yes we must reduce the risk of the wealth being distributed to the wrong people]
“Our discussions have convinced me that Libya will continue to make progress in its reform agenda, with the goal of realizing even higher growth and improving the standard of living of the population.”
1 Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, and Tunisia.
Now, let’s see the REAL reason that Libya was brought into the fold by the west:
| Press Release No. 03/122
July 23, 2003 |
|
Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya Accepts Article VIII Obligations
The government of the Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya has notified the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that it has accepted the obligations of Article VIII, Sections 2, 3, and 4 of the IMF Articles of Agreement, with effect from June 21, 2003.
When members join the IMF, they undertake to refrain from imposing new restrictions on the making of payments and transfers for current international transactions, and from engaging in discriminatory currency arrangements or multiple currency practices, without IMF approval. However, restrictions on making payments and transfers for current international transactions that exist before a member joins the IMF can be maintained under transitional provisions in Article XIV of the IMF Articles of Agreement. When a member accepts the obligations of Article VIII it effectively signals an intention to no longer avail itself of the transitional provisions of Article XIV.
[Comment: Libya joined the IMF in 1958. Since that time, they did not sign up to Article VIII. Once they did, it opened the country up to western parasites - i.e. Our governments and Corporations working hand in hand to take control over the entire Libyan economy. NOW Libya will have NO defence against a global financial meltdown.]
A total of 156 countries have now assumed Article VIII status.
By accepting the obligations of Article VIII, Libya gives confidence to the international community that it will pursue economic policies that will make restrictions on the making of payments and transfers for current international transactions unnecessary, and will contribute to a multilateral payments system free of restrictions. Libya maintains an exchange system which is currently pegged to the SDR.
[Comment: Are YOU a part of this "International community" which sees the benefit of Libya's economic policies? No, I didn't think so]
Libya joined the Fund on September 17, 1958. Its quota1 is SDR 1.123 billion (about US$1.564 billion). Libya has no outstanding use of IMF financing. [Comment: NOT good from the IMF's perspective. The IMF wants countries in debt to them!]
1 A member’s quota in the IMF determines, in particular, the amount of its subscription, its voting weight, its access to IMF financing, and its share of the allocation of SDRs.
Now let us turn to the Gaddafis and “friends” shall we? Particularly Saif.
In 2008, he was awarded a PhD from the London School of Economics (Yes that ‘school’ again), for a thesis entitled “The role of civil society in the democratisation of global governance institutions: from ‘soft power’ to collective decision-making?” Examined by Meghnad Desai (LSE) and Anthony McGrew (University of Southampton), among the LSE academics acknowledged in the thesis as directly assisting with it were Nancy Cartwright, David Held and Alex Voorhoever. Professor Joseph Nye of Harvard University is also thanked for having read portions of the manuscript and providing advice and direction. In a later investigation by Channel 4 News, they found that 6% of the 93,000-word thesis was copied from other sources.
Saif Gaddafi’s PhD (with help from Tony Blair)
Now with “help” of that calibre (the school of name dropping), who’d find it difficult to get their PhD?
If you read more of the background on this, you will find that Saif was of the impression that the LSE staff – his lecturers – should be writing the PhD for him. I kid you not!
But now, let’s turn to some of the politics with which Saif has been involved. The son of Gaddafi can be an imbecile and it would not matter. He is the son of Gaddafi. A man who is in control of one of the richest nations on earth:
“Clearly Saif al-Islam was pleased with himself and the deal he’d helped broker on the medics: his former pariah state is now promised nuclear cooperation with France that includes a “very huge” and “very expensive” atomic reactor that will cost Libya “billions and billions,” plus a uranium-mining project. Having surrendered a nuclear-weapons program that had no prayer of working in 2003, Libya now gets the best civil technology its money can buy.”
Given that charges against the doctor and nurses almost certainly were trumped up and they claim to have been tortured to extract their “confessions” during eight years in prison, you might think Saif al-Islam would be sensitive to the charge of geopolitical blackmail, but no.
“Blackmail? Maybe,” he says, considering the word. “It is blackmail, but the Europeans also blackmailed us. Yeah, it’s an immoral game by the way, but—I mean they set the rules of the game, the Europeans, and now they are paying the price.” They, and the Americans, too, for that matter, are merely serving their own political and economic interests, as far as Saif al-Islam is concerned. While the medics suffered, governments and multinationals were cutting deals. French President Nicolas Sarkozy even finagled an image-enhancing jaunt for his whimsical wife, Cécilia, as ostensible liberator of the prisoners. “She is the last person to come interfere in that issue and she is the person who took the medics with her back home,” said Saif al-Islam. “She’s very lucky. Lots of people tried in the past and they failed.” The reason: “The French [understood] the requirements and they were very flexible.”
As for oil, a critical question is who owns the stuff lying beneath Libya’s soil: the nation, or the foreign companies that are buying it through what are called “product-sharing agreements.” Oil companies want those millions of barrels of crude as assets on their books, but this is such a loaded question for Arab nationalists that most Middle Eastern oil producers won’t even contemplate such arrangements. Libya has embraced them, however, which is one reason oil companies have so wholeheartedly embraced Libya. “Yeah,” said Saif al-Islam. “We have sharing agreements. It’s very tricky whether they own the oil or not. Legally, it’s very tricky.”
In the end, not surprisingly, it all comes down to money. But Saif al-Islam must have learned that lesson even as a kid. After the Reagan administration tried its best to kill his father and, for that matter, him and the rest of his family in a bombing raid on Tripoli and Benghazi in 1986, Saif al-Islam remembers that they all hated the United States. Then came the years of sanctions led by Washington after Libya was implicated in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. Yet all that time, a British subsidiary of Halliburton was building public-works projects in Libya worth billions of dollars. Dick Cheney, who was running the company back then, was quoted by colleagues as saying he had some qualms about that deal. But, then again, he had a fiduciary obligation to his stockholders. And the paychecks just kept coming.
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Speaking in Sabha on August 20, 2008, Saif said that he would no longer involve himself in state affairs. He noted that he had previously “intervene[d] due to the absence of institutions”, but said that he would no longer do so. He dismissed any potential suggestion that this decision was due to disagreement with his father, saying that they were on good terms. He also called for political reforms within the context of the Jamahiraya system and rejected the notion that he could succeed his father, saying that “this is not a farm to inherit”.
Sarkozy dismisses the idea he did a deal with Libya on Arms:
Arms deal between France and Libya…
EADS confirm they DID do a deal (with British involvement):
BAE involved with EADS selling missiles to Libya…
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Gaddafi has been hosted at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle by the British royal family. Gaddafi claims that former Prime Minister Tony Blair is a personal friend who took an interest in advising Libya on oil revenues and finance. In 2009, he spent a weekend at Waddesdon Manor, home of financier Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, (the Muslim cozying up with the Head jewish Zionist no less) where he was the guest of Lord Mandelson and Nathaniel Philip Rothschild. He later stayed at the Rothschild holiday home in Corfu . Nathaniel Rothschild was a guest at Saif’s 37th birthday celebration in Montenegro. A cozy little relationship between the muslim and the jewish clan don’t you think?
So, here we have the equivalent of a terrorist (state sponsored) by a “terrible dictatorial family whose grip on Libya needs to be removed through regime change” as our mainstream non-news, propagandist assholes will tell us, who just so happens to be welcomed by the British monarchy, the highest chain of jewish/zionist command and jets around the world with every Tom, Dick and Harry who is anyone. They attend his birthday bashes and he even has property in the Hampstead Heath worth a cool £10M while our government demonise him and his family as murderers within their own country.
It just doesn’t QUITE stack up now does it?
Note to Brits: GET SMART! While you bay for the blood of muslims, they are in the same boat as us being manipulated by the same crew. This isn’t a race war it is a CLASS war. Direct your sights on the right enemy because as you continue to allow yourselves to be led by your ignorant racism and division, you are allowing yourself and everyone else to be screwed by the Camerons, Blairs, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Madelsons, Clarkes, Obamas, Netanyahus, Gaddafis of this world and the organisations which continue to support the pyramid. Organisations like the London School of Economics for example.
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You see Libya, what has happened to you and what is about to happen further is that your Leader and his family are going to walk away. They are going to allow your country to fall into a form of civil war where, due to the British, EU and American forces having destroyed your Armed Forces, there is going to be no-one to govern you. What then happens is that the West installs a puppet – one which you will anticipate as being nationalist and in Libya’s best interests. Perhaps he will seem that way for a while – just to bring order to a disorderly situation. However, you will then find that your access to credit will increase – how LOVELY for you! Buy all those gadgets you could never afford before and become “democratic”, more westernized and have what we have. But you see Libya, we’re WAY ahead of the curve there. We now recognise how well and truly shafted we have been by our own governments and banks by a debt based money system that just squeezes the lifeblood out of you, your family and your country. You may feel more “wealthy” for a while but it will be relatively short lived while you also then begin to feel the unseeable hand of big brother and, one day, that freedom you thought the good old democratic west brought you, will be recognised as just what it is: A transparent prison.
Gaddafi Snr lives out the rest of his life in opulence somewhere and Son Gaddafi takes his place within the new International order. The US/UK install another puppet and “we”, the west, have full access to resources and “our” corporate balance sheets expand once more.
Saif didn’t wish to take over “the farm” and you can rest assured that when he used the word “farm” he meant it. He just wants an easy life and YOU, the cattle on that farm will have a new owner. It won’t be muslim however. Trust me it will be JEWISH.
What you MUST understand is that we the people of the west have less control over our governments and the Banks and Corporations which own them than you do. So don’t blame us!
One last presentation slide from the IMF presentation. There is ONE question which this slide raises clearly and it is a very very simple one:
IF THE WORLD, AS A WHOLE, RUNS A CURRENT ACCOUNT DEFICIT, THEN WHO ARE WE IN DEBT TO?
GOD?
OR LLOYD BLANKFEIN?
LIBYA, Depleted Uranium and a British MP’s hypocrisy! (Part 2)
SCOTLAND: YOU ARE BEING IRRADIATED!
CLIMATE CHANGE IS A DANGER BUT, OBVIOUSLY, GENETIC MUTATION IS’NT.
From: Earthling
To: mark.lazarowicz.mp@parliament.uk
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Subject: RE: various emails
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:46:28 +0000
Dear Mark,
1. Regarding David Camoron’s “assurance”:
1.1 Can you advise me when the MOD stated that it had disposed of all Depleted Uranium munitions? Such a statement would certainly be forthcoming and published widely if not only for the sake of positive propaganda by MOD and the British Government. Have I missed something? Such a move would be an extremely expensive one also.
1.2 Can you or the PM advise where such a mass of depleted uranium munitions were then disposed? Or is it a case they have not yet been disposed of but are simply languishing in stockpiles somewhere never intending to be used and the MOD are just scratching their heads about what to do with them?
1.3 But here’s the thing: Mr Camoron is suggesting that ALL ships, submarines and aircraft have been refitted with non-DU shells within the last month EVEN THOUGH Liam Fox has stated quite clearly that the British Armed Forces still have every intention of using them:
“The Government’s policy remains that DU can be used within weapons; it is not
prohibited under current or likely future international agreements.UK armed
forces use DU munitions in accordance with international humanitarian law.It
would be quite wrong to deny our serving personnel a legitimatec apability.”
Liam Fox 22nd February 2011.
1.4 So what I have here is my MP, at a debate on the action against Libya on the 21st March 2011, listening to and accepting a Prime Minister making a statement which is simply false (Yes, an outright lie) saying that our Armed Forces are not using Depleted Uranium. He is suggesting, therefore, that ALL launchers of such missiles and shells have been re-fitted within the past month and that includes ships and submarines, which have launched Tomahawk missiles, and which have been at sea during the time of any re-fitting. So my MP believes that the MOD go to the trouble and massive expense of sending new supplies of munitions to each and every ship AND submarine in the fleet while they are on active duty? Plus they have completely re-fitted all aircraft in this time?
I can see the subs surfacing right now in my mind’s eye while the helicopters overhead winch down the new non-DU missiles and the submariners attach the old DU stock.
Incredible the lengths we shall go to when the PM says we will not use DU from now on.
It saddens me to think of the IQ of our MPs when they demonstrate a total disregard for logic (or LOGISTICS).
Mark: I ask again, for I simply must – Are you really this dumb? Or is it you think I am?
2. Where DU is used in shells and missiles?
2.1. Depleted Uranium is used not only within the penetrator of the shell or missile but also within the shape charge liner and counterbalance. This means that the MOD would have to take delivery of completely re-designed munitions within a matter of a month. When did they place the order Mark?
Have Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and BAE etc got a new super-duper “Just in time” production system of sufficient volume to deliver “on demand” non-DU replacements of an entire Armed Forces stock and in-service complement of munitions while there has been NO authoritative statement from any western government or Defence Dept saying they will no longer use DU? Then the 21st Century Military/Industrial complex must have one AWFUL balance sheet Mark!
3. Liam “the Fox”’s letter to Dr. Bill Wilson MSP
Please consider the attached letter from Mr Fox in reply to Dr Wilson’s letter stating the mass of evidence pertaining to DU and its effects. Fox_Liam_re_DU_220211-1
Dr. Wilson’s full text of the letter is also included as an attachment with links to all evidence. However, here is the summarised version:
PRESS RELEASE – For immediate use
MSP sends dossier on depleted uranium to Defence Secretary: come clean on dirty bombs!
Character assassination used to silence DU opponents.
Dr Bill Wilson MSP (SNP) has sent the Defence Secretary, Liam Fox, a dossier containing what he describes as “significant evidence pointing to the devastating effects of depleted uranium (DU) on the health of armed services personnel and civilians, and of the UK and USA’s attempts to suppress such evidence and prevent the investigation of the effects of DU” and called on the UK Government to take appropriate action.
DU = dirty bombs
Dr Wilson said, “There is much talk about terrorists potentially using ‘dirty bombs’, i.e. weapons which emit radiation and indiscriminately affect anyone in the vicinity, yet the USA, the UK and Israel have deployed many tonnes of DU-tipped shells. DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years and the microscopic uranium oxide dust that DU shells produce on impact can be blown hundreds of miles, inhaled and ingested. If these are not dirty bombs then what are they?
“There is considerable evidence that thousands of armed services personnel, their families and countless civilians have been and are continuing to be affected by DU in many ways, suffering, for example, premature death, respiratory problems, cancers, stillbirths and birth deformities.
Character assassination
“Furthermore, I have seen enough evidence to believe that those who are brave enough to look into the effects of DU risk losing their jobs and worse. Character assassination is one tool in the armoury of those who seek to silence truth-seekers. I have received emails scurrilously attacking the credibility of one my informants. Unfortunately for the defender of DU, I happened already to hold various documents disproving his baseless allegations. It was an eye-opening insight into the ruthlessness of the pro-DU lobb
“I have urged Liam Fox to investigate the impact of DU on the health of UK service personnel and civilians. I have also requested him to:
· acknowledge the validity of the precautionary principle as it pertains to the potential health effects of DU;
· comply with UN resolutions pertaining to DU;
· cease to use all DU weapons (for example, CHARM 3 120 mm anti-tank rounds), and to
· clean up the mess left in theatres of war where DU weapons have been used by allied troops (this to include such measures as oiling radioactive dust to prevent it being carried by the wind and barricading heavily contaminated sites such as destroyed tanks, where clean-up is not practical and where children are currently free to play).”
Dr Wilson concluded by saying, “I am not holding my breath, but it would be wonderful if the coalition government did the right thing here, took the moral high ground and turned its back on dirty bombs, once and for all. In the meantime I am asking the Scottish Government to look into the health of armed services veterans and their families resident here, as I have little faith that the UK Government will do so.”
- ends -
Contact
Dr Bill Wilson MSP
Tel +44 (0) 782 459 6994 / 131 348 6805 / 141 840 2772
Fax +44 (0) 131 348 6806 / 141 889 4693
E-mail Bill.Wilson.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
Website www.billwilsonmsp.com/
Within Mr Fox’s reply, you will notice incredible contradictions:
“This is an issue taken very seriously by the Ministry of Defence (MOD).”
“On the basis of reports by the Royal Society and others, the MOD does not consider DU is ‘safe’.
“The UK does not support resolutions that presuppose DU is harmful”
THEN WHY WOULD THEY NOT USE IT MARK? AND REPLACE IT ALL AT IMMENSE EXPENSE ALL WITHIN WEEKS OF THIS LETTER? USE YOUR BLOODY HEAD MAN BUT DON’T TREAT ME AS THE SIMPLETON YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE!
And to KILL Camoron’s words dead: “The Government’s policy remains that DU can be used within weapons; it is not prohibited under current or likely future international agreements.”
Dr Wilson’s response to Mr Fox’s imbecilic reply is also attached. Dr Wilson’s response
Fox’s incredible statement: “UK armed forces use DU munitions in accordance with international HUMANITARIAN LAW!”
What the HELL is “Humanitarian Depleted Uranium”?
Point: The British government is composed of a bunch of lying, genocidal, inhumane bastards guilty of war crimes! Add to that their incapacity for logic and they border upon insane.
The British (or Scottish) Government do not speak for me (and many others) and neither shall I be “governed” by either.
Do I make myself clear?
4. Garvie Island.
An uninhabited islet which lies off the northern coastline of Sutherland in Highlands in Highland Council Area. It lies 4 miles (7Km) east of Cape Wrath. The headland of Cleit Dhubh lies immediately to the south.
The islet is at the centre of a military bombing range, the ONLY one in Europe where NATO can drop live 1000lb (454Kg) bombs.
See the photo attached of what is most probably a Tornado delivering such a bomb to the island. The photo displays the characteristic intensity of a bomb utilising DEPLETED URANIUM. DU is pyrophonic and the white colour in such photos of explosions indicates temperature of 5000deg+ temperatures. A definite characteristic of a depleted uranium explosion, as is the “firework” characteristics which can be seen. Compare the Garvie Island photo with two other DU explosions.
Now, consider the attached Air flow map.
All weapons that contain Depleted Uranium weapons are recognized as radioactive poison gas weapons and thus violate the Geneva Convention under the 1925 Geneva Poison Gas Protocol.
These weapons are described as a “highly mobile indiscriminate killer and permanent terrain contaminant,” which has a half life of 4.5 billion years and thus remain in the environment for ever.
The airflow chart demonstrates how the depleted uranium gas and dust is widely circulated in many directions, depending on altitude and seasonal changes including fog, rainfall, snow, and air circulation.
I have added a white square over the current conflict zone in Libya and it is very easy to see how this violates the Geneva Convention and how in this airflow chart high concentrations of radioactive particles end up in the atmosphere over Scandinavia, UK, Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, Germany, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Rumania, Bulgaria, Eastern and Central Europe…..another weather system also made sure that the entire Middle East was also contaminated, Afghanistan, Asia and SE Asia with some particles delivered to China, Taiwan, Korea and Japan by express delivery on the Jet Streams……this then moved over to the Northern USA and the rest of the world.
We must also put an emphasis on the fact that when it comes to low pressure areas or monsoonal flows the contamination comes back to earth to permanently contaminate the soil and water in the respective regions.
A classic example and proof that the level of contamination, at a given location, can be alarmingly high as shown in the graph attached where the spikes on the chart coincide with heavy periods of bombing in areas of conflict……..one can clearly see this when we look at the original US led “Shock and Awe” attack on Baghdad, at the begin of the Gulf War.
Please understand that the atmosphere over and around an area, covering from Reading through to London, received an extremely high dose of radioactive nanoparticles that can and will impact on the health of those people who live below its deadly cloud. This graph was withheld from public viewing by both the US and UK Governments and was only released after pressure was applied by Prof Chris Busby ( Freedom of Information Act).
One should expand the above chart to see it in greater detail……It must also be understood that the facility at Aldermaston was, at the time, under the control of a US subsidiary of “Halliburton”.
Now, the point here is that Scotland (and the entire UK) is being affected by Depleted Uranium. Do you think there is a difference between live ammunition being used by NATO in tests on the Island of Garvie and that used in Kosovo, Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afghanistan and Libya?
How do you like your eggs Mark? Fried or irradiated?
The Scottish Government are liable. The British Government are liable. The SINGLE European bombing range in Europe for NATO and others to drop the serious munitions.
The Scottish Government MUST undertake a survey of the incidences of cancers which may well be attributed to depleted uranium shelling off the north coast of our country.
This should be brought to the attention of every Scottish/British citizen. The Scottish and British governments are irradiating their own populations not only by the fall out associated with overseas wars but also by way of munitions testing within our own borders!
From the Office of National Statistics:
Scotland had the highest overall cancer mortality rates for both sexes, which were around 17 per
cent higher than those for the UK as a whole. The overall cancer incidence rates were 7 per cent
higher for males and for females 8 per cent higher than for the UK.
The mortality rate for lung cancer in Scotland was 35 per cent higher for males and 47 per
cent higher for females than in the UK as a whole. In males it was nearly three times the
mortality rate for prostate cancer and in females it was 59 per cent higher than the mortality
rate for breast cancer
The incidence of lung cancer was 34 per cent higher for males and 48 per cent higher for
females than in the UK as a whole. The incidence of, and mortality from, other smoking-
related cancers – oesophagus, lip, mouth and pharynx, and larynx – were also higher in
Scotland than in the other countries of the UK. The incidence of prostate cancer was 15 per
cent lower in Scotland than in the UK as a whole.
Perhaps the dear ONS would like to include in its CENSUS whether people in Scotland think there may be a link with the high incidence of cancer and the testing of depleted uranium munitions off its coast? Perhaps LOCKHEED MARTIN could help the ONS in the implementation of THAT particular point within the census? What do you think? Or do you think surveying the population’s concerns on such a point is not in “The Public Interest”?
So Salmond gets told to release Megrahi (yes Straw was on his back and others) and he can’t even tell NATO to piss off from Scottish territory and find some other god forsaken place. Let his own population be irradiated. The ONLY site in Europe Alex! What’s it worth to you to poison your own population? Or do you just not have a say in it Mr First Minister? So the question is: Are you sufficiently paid for it? Or are you impotent to stop it? Or are you just a dope? I’m sure you’re spoken of in GLOWING terms Mr Salmond!
(I thought it was a nice pun myself).
Off on a tangent for a moment (however there are so many tangents to this):
“As for oil, a critical question is who owns the stuff lying beneath Libya’s soil: the nation, or the foreign companies that are buying it through what are called “product-sharing agreements.” Oil companies want those millions of barrels of crude as assets on their books, but this is such a loaded question for Arab nationalists that most Middle Eastern oil producers won’t even contemplate such arrangements. Libya has embraced them, however, which is one reason oil companies have so wholeheartedly embraced Libya. “Yeah,” said Saif al-Islam. “We have sharing agreements. It’s very tricky whether they own the oil or not. Legally, it’s very tricky.”
In the end, not surprisingly, it all comes down to money. But Saif al-Islam must have learned that lesson even as a kid. After the Reagan administration tried its best to kill his father and, for that matter, him and the rest of his family in a bombing raid on Tripoli and Benghazi in 1986, Saif al-Islam remembers that they all hated the United States. Then came the years of sanctions led by Washington after Libya was implicated in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. Yet all that time, a British subsidiary of Halliburton was building public-works projects in Libya worth billions of dollars. Dick Cheney, who was running the company back then, was quoted by colleagues as saying he had some qualms about that deal. But, then again, he had a fiduciary obligation to his stockholders. And the paychecks just kept coming.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2007/07/31/the-politics-of-blackmail.html
Let me tell you something Mr Lazarowicz: Muammar Gaddafi and son(s) shall walk away from Libya with a fortune to their names leaving their country controlled by western powers. Saif Gaddafi does not want to be handed “the farm” by his father. Saif wants to be free to settle wherever he wishes and create a more global life for himself. The Gaddafis sold out their country in 2003 on signing the IMF Articles of Agreement VIII. The idea of this Libyan action is to create the “no fly zone”, support the rebels, cause an “uprising”, remove the Gaddafis (which they are quite happy about now). Gaddafi Snr lives out the rest of his life in opulence somewhere and Son Gaddafi takes his place within the new International order. The US/UK install another puppet and we have full access to resources and our corporate balance sheets expand once more.
I could support this “conjecture” in far greater detail but then we are seriously drifting off topic and I feel it may just be too much for you to take in for the moment.
5. George Monbiot’s article:
You state “With regard to your query re George Monbiot’s article, I had in fact already asked the Treasury to respond to the points in the article. I have now received their reply, and will send it to you by post.”
I recall it was not only my points regarding this article (my points regularly being dismissed by your goodself with “I do not agree”) but your own consideration that there were points which you wished to raise. You did not advise me what these points were however.
6. Claim of Right:
I have made my points to Malcolm. His response was not what was asked. I have since repeated the request but it seems a simple “Yes/No” is even more difficult to answer than providing a long winded “justification” of absolute garbage.
7. Lord Shackleton’s papers:
I look forward to that reply by the archivist. I assume they shall not be censored. After all, as everyone keeps trying to convince me of – Bilderberg has absolutely no impact on the course the British government takes and is just a chummy “talking shop” which creates no policy and there’s nothing of any consequence discussed. It must be sheer embarrassment relating to the inconsequential drivel which must be discussed then that such documents are held under the 30 year rule.
Note to Mrs Ione Douglas: Please don’t tell me that this email is of no interest to your boss! Thanks.
You state in your email to me Mark that “You will appreciate that your emails raise very many important points, and I am very happy to discuss these with you.”And indeed, yes they do. In that statement, you are absolutely correct but I have not yet received a single response from you which could be considered as having acknowledged such in any way. ALL replies have been, dismissive, evasive and demonstrating a total lack of serious consideration and reply. Why, then, would I consider spending time making an appointment to meet when the meeting would consist of an MP offering lip service and platitudes with absolutely no intention of taking any steps on any matter. After all, I have now been in contact with you on all these “important points” for well over a year and lip service, platitudes and “I don’t agree” (with zero justification) has been your modus operandi. This would change in person?
I honestly attempt to take you seriously Mark but with every single reply, you make that more difficult to do. I sincerely wish that were not the case but it is not my doing. It’s yours. They are your replies and your words not mine.
The “various emails” that you save up and then respond to with entirely inconsequential replies would not perhaps be quite so numerous if there were seriously considered, honest and direct replies in the first place. There are not. Do you expect me to just accept this and say “Oh well the government think I’m an uneducated, incapable asshole so I’ll leave it at that.”?
No, I’m afraid I don’t do that Mark. The British people get enough short shrift from our so called “representatives”. It’s time people say “enough of this bullshit”.
David Cameron is a guy with ambition. That’s all he is. He’ll lie through his teeth just as Blair did. He wants the same prize to be bestowed upon him.
As for Ed Miliband – A little boy with the right background who wants the same.
Same goes for Nick Clegg.
The entire lot of you (with PERHAPS one or two exceptions) are in that career – if one can call it that for you produce nothing but hot air and CO2, your carbon footprint alone, if eradicated would save the world – for the big prize. The $2M/year plus extras donated by the “City”.
Have a close look at Jim Murphy’s background Mark. Such an inert personality from Renfrewshire who’s done so well. How did he do it? ALWAYS follow the money Mark! And who’s got it and controls it?
It’s not difficult this you know. It just takes a little patience to work it all through.
Wake up Mark and stop being (or acting) so damned naive because I can assure you the country isn’t. Even the violent mob at Saturday’s protest knew exactly the right targets for their anger. I told you there’s going to be so much of that because you guys just aren’t listening.
Last word: Those poor bastards drilling for oil in the North Sea!
Earthling
From: mark.lazarowicz.mp@parliament.uk
To: Earthling
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:30:22 +0000
Subject: various emails
Dear Earthling
Thank you for your recent emails.
I understand your concerns about depleted uranium and Libya. The Prime Minister was specifically asked to give an assurance that this type of weapon would not be used, and he gave a clear assurance to that effect. I do think it is right to seek to prevent a possible massacre of civilians by the pro-Gaddhafi forces, although I believe that UK involvement should be limited, and in line with the spirit and the letter of the relevant UN resolutions.
With regard to your query re George Monbiot’s article, I had in fact already asked the Treasury to respond to the points in the article. I have now received their reply, and will send it to you by post.
With regard to your email concerning the Claim of Right which you sent to me and Malcolm Chisholm. Malcolm Chisholm agreed to respond to you on that point, and I understand he has done so.
With regard to Lord Shackleton’s papers, I understand that if you contact the Parliamentary Archivist they will send you a quote for the cost of taking photocopies which they will then send to you, unless you wish to inspect the documents in Parliament yourself. The email address is: archives@parliament.uk
You will appreciate that your emails raise very many important points, and I am very happy to discuss these with you. As with any other constituent, if you do not wish to come to one of my advice surgeries, you are welcome to ask my office to make an appointment for me to meet you at another time in my constituency office.
Regards
Mark Lazarowicz
Mark Lazarowicz
Mark Lazarowicz MP for Edinburgh North & Leith
www.marklazarowicz.org.uk
Thank you to Mr Peter Eyre for the use of graphs, charts and photos used in this blog. I am very grateful.
Addendum 14/11/2011: They are ALL lying bastards!
Armed forces minister sorry for misleading MPs over depleted uranium
MoD urged to phase out use of depleted uranium weapons after armed forces minister admits review was never carried out
minister-sorry-dangers-depleted-uranium?newsfeed=true
LIBYA: UK government protecting exactly which interests?
There are Pro Ghaddafi and Anti Ghaddafi Libyans so, sure, this COULD be a propagandist on the Pro side HOWEVER you KNOW the Western media is 90% fake in even the way it covers (or omits) serious issues in the UK and the west. You KNOW the Iraqi DAMNED LIES of Tony Blair and similarly Afghanistan lies. You KNOW everything we do as the west has a solid basis in oil, minerals and the banking control of all countries who have not acquiesced to the IMF. Etc etc.
Check all photos!!…these photos have been taken by myself in libya 3 days ago in Tripoli at Green Square…
take the time to read this if u are interested in knowing the full truth…
and yes i am 100% libyan…
I challenge the entire world, the ENTIRE WORLD!!!…THE ENTIRE WORLD to come to libya n see it for what it really
is
…90% of what the media shows u is FAKE n nothing but LIES!!!!!!!…..over 75% of libyans want alghadafi and want him to even rule this country untill he naturally dies…..GHADAFI IS A GREAT GREAT MAN, A MAN TRULLY N HONESTLY LIKE NO OTHER MAN….i am honestly willing to even die to protect him, n give EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING i own in my life just so he can live, i really really really mean it!!!!….
The western n some arab medias(which are working for zionists n the white house) are trying to convince the world that Ghadafi is killing civilians, torturing them, bombing them n sending men to damage buildings n homes….I SWEAR!!!…I SWEAR TO GOD that the media is nothing but LIES!!!!!……
basically this is what is REALLY REALLY happening n behind the scenes(which is totally hidden by the media, since they dont even intend to let the world know the truth, rather brainwash the minds of viewers n make them think what they want them to think, so when the zionists n americans do their terrible plan in libya
which i will mention,the world (due to the corrupted n fake messages the media sends) wouldnt speak)::::
1)) The american, french n british government have been training a few libyans(who betrayed their own country and will do anything for money) to talk on cnn, bbc and other major news channels and talk as if Ghadafi is a terrorist….these libyans who are willing to sell their own country for money have been training libyans in benghazi to kill people, literaly “slaughter” ppl like the way a human being would slaughter an animal, rape women and young little girls, bomb buildings and homes (while they are all wearing the libyan army uniform) and then video tape themselves and tell the world that Ghadafi is doing this to his own ppl….basically these so called “protesters” who you see on the news holding guns, n on tanks many of them have been payed thousands of dollars to do these visious acts….(though some of them are actually innocent ppl who know nothing about americas evil plan, and have fallen for the trap the western media displays, and actually think when ghadafi leaves they will become free from
something, which is a complete illusion, since libya already was free)
2)) Then when ghadafi wants to help his people from these so called “protesters” and sends his army to fight them back (like any rational n normal human being would do when he is attacked), the so called “protesters” would screeeaaaam to the united states( like they were trained to do so by the us) n ask for help from the evil ghadafi….
3)) then the braaaave, loving, thoughtful n caring americans, french n english would come to libya(like they just did) n saaaaave us n protect us from the evil ghadafi…..n say they want to bomb gadafi’s army troops to protect the libyans….
ok so now your probably wondering y would america do all this!!????
OIIIIIIIIIIIILLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…….AMERICA WANTS LIBYAS OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!……….THEY DO NOT GIVE A DAMN
ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS NOR ANYTHING ELSE BUT BECOMING THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH!!!…
do u actually beleive it when the americans say ::we are bombing ghadafis army troops to protect the libyans????!!!!…..LIE!!!!!……they are bombing the libyan army so when they get control over our oil n over us libyans like they did in IRAQ libya no longer has anything to protect herself with!!!!…
america has been going through an EXTREME economic crisis, and is in debts n lost trillions of dollars in wars, n the only way to fix their problem is by getting a countries natural treasures, like libyas oil, gold, gas etc, etc
4))then when the americans, french n english step in libya n start bombing us, we die, n they get our oil, n again lie to the world as they always do n say ghadafi killed us….. n the end…
———–
unfortunatly civilians in libya are dying due to the bombs the americans n french have dropped on us these past days…even though they claim to the world they are here to protect civilians from something i persoanlly dont see….
they bombed a hospital in libya…
they bombed a hospital already…..can u imagine that….CAN YOU!!!!????????
how on EARTH….HOW ON EARTH ARE THEY DOING GOOD TO HUMANITY!!!!!!
AMERICAN POLITICS IS NOTHING BUT LIES N TOTAL FAKENESS!!!!!
but the americans, french n british do not know something….libyans who live in libya are strong ppl, they are
real people, faithful to their country and we will all fight against our enemy….zionists are nothing we fear,
we have God by our side…..
so if u value truthness, and it makes a differnce to you whether others know the truth or not, tag all your freinds with this photo and album…..i will be downloading some videos I have taped myelf aswell as soon as I have the time….do not let this messege stop here, for we are all brothers and sisters in humanity, and we all have a common goal in life…
that is peace…
Meanwhile, as justification for the action, we have David Cameron doing what would appear to be, a “Tony” show:
HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATE 21ST MARCH 2011
Mr William Cash (Stone) (Con): My right hon. Friend knows that I am strongly supportive of the actions that he has taken, and he deserves great credit for them, but on Friday he indicated that we would see a summary of the legal advice from the Attorney-General. We know from what he said on Friday, and indeed from the note that has been supplied in the Library, that the Cabinet has consulted the Attorney-General and is satisfied with the legal advice, but it does not seem from what I have seen so far that we have been supplied with a summary of the Attorney-General’s legal advice. Is that going to be forthcoming?
The Prime Minister: What we have provided, which I do not think any Government have done before, is a note on the legal advice. That is, I think, the right thing to do. One of the reasons why it is so short is, frankly, because the legal advice is so clear. Members can see that when they read the UN Security Council resolution.
He won’t provide the FULL legal advice JUST a short note – nicely and succinctly spun “because it is so clear”.
Then if it is so clear Cammy, let’s SEE IT!
Further from Cameron:
On Saturday alone, there were reports of dozens of people killed in Benghazi and dozens more in Misrata. Gaddafi lied to the international community, he continued to brutalise his own people and he was in flagrant breach of the UN resolution, so it was necessary, legal and right that he should be stopped, and that we should help stop him.
Reports from whom? CNN? BBC? “Intelligence services” of the US and UK who may just be involved in perpetrating the incidents IF ANY?
While “dozens” of lives being extinguished is, of course, repugnant (IF they are) it is hardly a genocide! Why don’t you consider what your “friends”, the USA did to THEIR people in Waco, Texas? Did the UK step in?
Cameron, you’re as full of shit as your predecessors.
And to the naive who would state the following: “you will find it is actually legal as they have followed the correct procedure this time as opposed to Blair’s we’ll do it anyway attitude to the UN!”
You will find that China, India and Russia abstained to vote. 2 of these countries had a potential veto. They didn’t use it. Why?
You are saying it is legal to murder. No, it is not.
You also miss the point that the United Nations is controlled by Western interests (specifically America and the UK) BUT these interests are Corporate. The people who funded and started the UN and, to this day, steer it, are called “Rockefeller”.
Your “legality”, then, is steeped in “Rockefeller law”.
Then,
Gotta give credit where it’s due….
Mr Allen: Is my hon. Friend as concerned as I am about the composition of what is currently called “the rebel force”, which is a catch-all for anti-Gaddafi forces? Many of us could support that as a concept, but is my hon. Friend a little worried that we could end up with something even worse than the current regime? Libya is not a repressed democracy. We have not spent the past 30 years building up a democratic base there. It will not be Nick and Dave who take over, but unknown people. We are not sure about the end game and we should be careful what we wish for.
Jeremy Corbyn: My hon. Friend makes a valuable point. I do not know the politics, aims, ambitions or anything else of the people in Benghazi any more than I suspect he does. We should be cautious about going to war on behalf of a group of people whom we do not know or understand and of whose aims we are not aware. Many were Ministers in the Gaddafi Government, again, only three weeks ago. It is a very short time.
There is a danger that we do nothing about Bahrain because of close economic and military involvement, despite the US fifth fleet being there. There is a danger that we say nothing about Saudi Arabia because of the vast arms market there. The former Prime Minister, Tony Blair, felt that Saudi Arabia was so important that he stopped the Serious Fraud Office investigation into the al-Yamamah arms contract. In Yemen and Oman, people are dying. They thirst for exactly the same thing. I was at a conference this morning of Bahraini opposition groups who made strong points. They said that they were not campaigning about human rights in Bahrain yesterday, but last year, the year before, the year before that and so on. Indeed, I first met Bahraini opposition groups who were concerned about the overwhelming power of the king in 1986 at a UN human rights conference in Copenhagen.
Mr MacNeil: Does the hon. Gentleman believe that action in Libya now helps the case for action in the countries that he mentioned later?
Jeremy Corbyn: I do not believe that it does because the economic interests in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain far outweigh any humanitarian concerns. I simply do not believe that it will happen.
However, we must use the opportunity to reassess our foreign policy, our arms sales policy and the way in which we get into bed with dictator after dictator around the world. We should also think for a moment about the message that goes out on the streets throughout north Africa and the middle east.
When Israeli planes bombed Gaza during Operation Cast Lead in 2008-09, I did not hear any calls for a no-fly zone over Gaza. F-16 jets pounded Palestinians, killing 1,500 civilians. We have to understand the bitterness of that period and the experience of the Palestinian people because many Palestinian diaspora, living out their lives in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt-all over the region-want the right to return home. They see the double standards of the west: interested in supporting Israel at the expense of the Palestinian people; currently intervening in Libya but doing nothing to support the Palestinian people.
We are in an interesting period in history. There was an Arab revolution in the 1950s, supporting the principle of pan-Arab unity. Nasser was one of its leading figures. That degenerated into a series of fairly corrupt dictatorships that still run the Arab League. None feels very secure when they attend Arab League meetings. Indeed, they go home as quickly as possible afterwards, lest there be a coup.
We are seeing a popular revolution for accountable government, peace and democracy on the streets throughout the region. We have been on the wrong side in selling arms and supporting dictators. We have not thought through the implications of what we are doing now in Libya. I suspect that we might end up in a Libyan civil war for a long time and that this is not the only occasion on which we will debate the subject in the House. This is the easy bit; the hard part is yet to come.
While it has to be said that the point “We should be cautious about going to war on behalf of a group of people whom we do not know or understand and of whose aims we are not aware.” is quite an interesting and comedic one in a sense because the government of the UK do not know or understand (read “give a damn”) about the aims of the British people let alone the people of Benghazi!
An opinion poll in Metro this morning-I do not know how scientific that is-suggested that 58% of those questioned were against British involvement in Libya. Although I do not know how accurate that is, many people are very worried about the action. We must ask questions about the troops that we have committed through the Air Force. How long will they be there? What command structure are they currently under?
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That is far from clear. Several air forces are involved, and it is not clear who is co-ordinating them, who is in charge or who decides what targets to bomb at what stage. That is enormously worrying.
My hon. Friend the Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell) asked several questions about cluster bombs and depleted uranium. Cluster bombs are illegal. Children are still dying in Iraq and Afghanistan because of the use of cluster bombs in the past. Depleted uranium was used in the Gulf war in 1991 and that has led to a high level of cancers in southern Iraq. I hope that no other forces are using depleted uranium weapons because of the long-term effects.
What is the mission all about? Only three weeks ago, we were training Libyan forces and selling arms to Libya. British companies were happily trading with Libya and British universities were happily accepting vast sums of money from Libya until a few weeks ago. It is an awfully short time in our relations with Libya in which to go from hero to zero. The rest of the world may be concerned about that.
My hon. Friend the Member for Bolsover (Mr Skinner) intervened on the Prime Minister to ask about the end game. One hopes that there will be an urgent ceasefire and some kind of political settlement in Libya, and that Libya’s independence as a state will be preserved. However, there is another scenario: a client state in the east around Benghazi; and a pariah state in the west around Tripoli, led by Gaddafi, and a source of constant conflict, disturbance and danger in the region. That is eminently possible, with oil companies trying to get their hands on the huge resources that are there.
WHO ARE WE TAKING ACTION FOR?
UNITED KINGDOM PLC
UNITED STATES INC
FRANCE SARL
MAKE NO MISTAKE OF THAT!
LIBYA, Depleted Uranium and a British MP’s hypocrisy! (Part 1)
From: Earthling
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Subject: INCREDIBLE hypocrisy by Mr Lazarowicz.
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:47:02 +0000
“An opinion poll in Metro this morning-I do not know how scientific that is-suggested that 58% of those questioned were against British involvement in Libya. Although I do not know how accurate that is, many people are very worried about the action. We must ask questions about the troops that we have committed through the Air Force. How long will they be there? What command structure are they currently under?
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That is far from clear. Several air forces are involved, and it is not clear who is co-ordinating them, who is in charge or who decides what targets to bomb at what stage. That is enormously worrying.
My hon. Friend the Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell) asked several questions about cluster bombs and depleted uranium. Cluster bombs are illegal. Children are still dying in Iraq and Afghanistan because of the use of cluster bombs in the past. Depleted uranium was used in the Gulf war in 1991 and that has led to a high level of cancers in southern Iraq. I hope that no other forces are using depleted uranium weapons because of the long-term effects.
What is the mission all about? Only three weeks ago, we were training Libyan forces and selling arms to Libya. British companies were happily trading with Libya and British universities were happily accepting vast sums of money from Libya until a few weeks ago. It is an awfully short time in our relations with Libya in which to go from hero to zero. The rest of the world may be concerned about that.”
Protocol III to the Modified Brussels Treaty of 1954 on the Control of Armaments defines an
atomic weapon as “any weapon which contains, or is designed to contain or utilise nuclear fuel
or radioactive isotopes and which, by explosion or other uncontrolled nuclear transformation of
the nuclear fuel, or by radioactivity of the nuclear fuel or radioactive isotopes, is capable of mass
destruction, mass injury or mass poisoning”.22 Article 1(c) of the Treaty on the Southeast Asia Nuclear
Weapon-Free Zone defines a nuclear weapon as “any explosive device capable of releasing nuclear
energy in an uncontrolled manner but does not include the means of transport or delivery of such
device if separable from and not an indivisible part thereof”.23
DU weapons are not explosive devices. Nor are they used with the purpose of killing by radiation.
It is unsettled whether they are capable of mass destruction, mass injury or mass poisoning. In any
event, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in its Advisory Opinion on the Legality of the Threat or
Use of Nuclear Weapons found that “[t]here is in neither customary nor conventional international law
any comprehensive and universal prohibition of the threat or use of nuclear weapons as such”.24
Now HERE is the technicolour part…….
DU weapons are generally not raDiological weapons
Radiological or radiation weapons are designed to kill or injure as a direct consequence of dispersing
radiation—usually by means of an explosion—and inducing radiation sickness. An example of such
a weapon is a so-called dirty bomb. While armour-piercing projectiles containing DU may spread
radiation as a secondary effect of penetrating targets, it is not the primary purpose and effect of their
use. However, one cannot exclude the possibility of DU being used in a dirty bomb with the express
intention of indiscriminately killing civilians. Thus, a DU weapon could conceivably be considered as
a radiological weapon in some (limited) cases.
“While armour-piercing projectiles containing DU may spread radiation as a secondary effect of penetrating targets, it is not the primary purpose and effect of their use.”
And that makes it all A-OK Mark. It’s not the PRIMARY purpose! It’s just an “unfortunate” by product. Like saying “We went in to remove Saddam Hussein and it was just an unfortunate by product that we massacred getting on for 1M Iraqis”. While, isn’t it strange that the entire justification for bombing the hell out of Afghanistan in 2001 was “to find and bring to justice Osama Bin Laden” and yet, a by product of that is the Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay while, under the Taliban regime prior to the attack, poppy/opium production had fallen to almost zero yet, now, it is the world’s no.1 source and is producing extraordinary amounts. While there is considered to be approx $1Trillion of Lithium “in them there hills” and masses of other untapped minerals.
“I bound and gagged a man to stop him talking. Unfortunately, a by product of gagging him was that he stopped breathing. It wasn’t the primary purpose though so I can’t be convicted for murder”.
What PILLS do you people consume?
Not only, does it seem, that there are “unfortunate” by products in our actions but, time after time, there are a mass of fortunate ones too. Usually ensuring these fortunate ones make a fortune for certain individuals and corporations. Such fortunate by products however, NEVER seem to improve the quality of life or freedoms of the population of the UK however.
Mark, while the general population of this country still watch and listen to controlled propaganda through the BBC and remain ignorant, you are missing the ever growing numbers who recognise what shit the globalists peddle for truth through their governmental mouthpieces such as Cameron, Clegg, Miliband etc. All little boys vying for the prize which Tony showed could be achieved if you’re one bought and paid for corrupt little bastard.
While that growth continues however, the globalists will tighten the “noose” around this country’s population more and more until all hell breaks loose.
Congratulations Mark. You are an excellent little pawn.
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Regards,
Earthling
From: LAZAROWICZM@parliament.uk
> To: Earthling
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 08:06:14 +0000
> Subject: Reply please.
>
> Dear Earthling
>
> Thank you for your email. I am still awaiting a reply from the Chancellor on your query. I have already followed this up with his office. Once I have that, I intend to respond in detail to the points you have raised.
>
> However, I take this opportunity to advise you a further Early Day Motion on Depleted Uranium has now been submitted in the current parliamentary session, and I have given it my support. The text of the motion and the signatories is given below.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Lazarowicz MP
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> EDM 825
> UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION ON DEPLETED URANIUM
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13.10.2010
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> Bottomley, Peter
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> 53 signatures
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> Aldous, Peter
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> Begg, Anne
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> Betts, Clive
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> Blenkinsop, Tom
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> Blomfield, Paul
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> Brake, Tom
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> Campbell, Menzies
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> Caton, Martin
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> Connarty, Michael
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> Corbyn, Jeremy
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> Crockart, Mike
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> Cunningham, Jim
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> Dobbin, Jim
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> Doran, Frank
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> Durkan, Mark
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> Efford, Clive
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> Farron, Tim
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> Flynn, Paul
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> Foster, Don
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> Francis, Hywel
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> Gapes, Mike
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> George, Andrew
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> Glindon, Mary
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> Hancock, Mike
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> Heyes, David
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> Hopkins, Kelvin
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> Horwood, Martin
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> Jamieson, Cathy
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> Lazarowicz, Mark
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> Leech, John
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> Lloyd, Stephen
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> Lloyd, Tony
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> Llwyd, Elfyn
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> Long, Naomi
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> Love, Andrew
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> Lucas, Caroline
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> McDonnell, John
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> Meale, Alan
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> Michael, Alun
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> Munt, Tessa
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> Osborne, Sandra
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> Ritchie, Margaret
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> Rotheram, Steve
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> Russell, Bob
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> Sanders, Adrian
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> Sheridan, Jim
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> Skinner, Dennis
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> Smith, Nick
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> Thurso, John
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> Whittaker, Craig
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> Williams, Mark
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> Wright, Simon
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> That this House notes that the British Army maintains depleted uranium (DU) munitions within its arsenal and that 1.9 tonnes of DU rounds were fired by UK forces during Operation Telic in Iraq; recognises the continuing news stories emerging of higher rates of childhood leukaemia and birth defects in Iraqi cities since the conflict began; acknowledges that the Ministry of Defence has released to the United Nations Environment Programme the coordinates where UK forces fired DU; is aware that US armed forces expended at least 404 tonnes of DU ammunitionin the 1991 and 2003 Iraq conflicts but have yet to release the firing coordinates to the UN; appreciates that without full transparency it will remain impossible properly to monitor and decontaminate which in turn will lead to avoidable civilian exposures; and calls on the Government to support the resolution to be put before the UN General Assembly this autumn calling on states to provide quantitative and geographical data on DU munitions use to the relevant authorities of the affected states.
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