New World Map: Prescience? Or Pre-planned?
CRYSTAL BALLS REALLY DO EXIST AND REALLY DO WORK IT SEEMS.
Just as today’s map of the world was all planned out, so is tomorrow’s. You can find out how it’s planned if you research.
ORDER! ORDER!
DO NOT DARE SUGGEST OR IMPLY ANYTHING WHICH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS AND THAT THE PUBLIC MAY DEMAND IS THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED!
But Investigated by whom? You can see clearly what the issue is – as can they – yet they refuse to allow such to be discussed. It is this “People elected (or not) to this house can do no wrong” ideology. It raises them above the law for it is not to be implied, nor discussed.
Guthrie: Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath; Officer of the Order of the Bitish Empire; Lieutenant of the Royal Victorian Order; Chief of the Defence Staff between 1997 and 2001 and Chief of the General Staff, the professional head of the British Army, between 1994 and 1997; non-executive director of N M Rothschild & Sons, Colt Defense LLC, and Chairman (non-executive) of Siboney Ltd
You try working for both, a car manufacturer (as a buyer) and have a non executive directorship in a supplier to the car manufacturer who sells the latter parts. See how far you get!
We cannot allow this shit to go on! But, for some reason, we do.
You think this man made his money from being a good Military Officer?
Guthrie Eric Joyce (PPS (Rt Hon John Hutton, Secretary of State), Department for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform; Falkirk, Labour)Fundamentally, it is true that how much money we spend as a nation on defence is a big issue. We frame it in terms of a proportion of our gross domestic product or sometimes we talk about increasing expenditure in real terms. Whatever we do, there is an argument to be won with the public at large. For that reason, when we talk about the military covenant, we should think in those terms—of the public at large—rather than just in terms of the relationship between Ministers, the Government and service personnel.I want to add a mild note of criticism. People generally tend not to criticise the Royal British Legion and, on the whole, I do not either. I do think, however, that a touch of some aspects of its campaign over the military covenant has jumped into that space for criticism. It may have been done for good campaigning reasons, but it has jumped into that space where people have tended to view the campaign as a criticism of the Government. I find it slightly peculiar that the Royal British Legion put on events at party conferences, yet did not allow Ministers to speak on the grounds that it would be political. Why come to party political conferences? It seemed rather peculiar. The Royal British Legion's campaign has largely been sound and appropriately delivered, but some aspects in the margins should be thought about again more critically before it launches into its next big campaign on whatever subject.Guthrie
Eric Joyce (PPS (Rt Hon John Hutton, Secretary of State), Department for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform; Falkirk, Labour:
I would now like to say a few words about what I believe to have been disgraceful behaviour in the other place, which was co-ordinated and organised by the former Chiefs of the Defence Staff. These are people who want to put themselves above politics, yet they will quite happily stand at the launch of a perfectly legitimate “Way Forward” Tory party document. I realise that Conservative Way Forward is more a Tory think-tank than an official party document, but it is preposterous in the extreme to think that former chiefs of staff can write a foreword to a political pamphlet and then try to pretend that they are above politics. That is a farce. Frankly, although I realise that they have a great deal to contribute—they are enormously talented and capable officers—if they want to put their political cards on the table, let them do it, but let us not shilly-shally about what their political sentiments are.
BlackBerrys are a miracle. I think I am right in saying, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that I am allowed to get some data on my BlackBerry as I am sitting here. I say that because this may not be a complete list. I do not think that General Guthrie mentioned the fact that he was a paid director of Colt Defence, Siboney Ltd, Sciens Capital, and Rothschild; or that Field Marshall Inge mentioned that he was a paid director of Aegis, which clearly has interests in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
- Sir Evelyn Rothschild
They are excellent companies, by the way, and I know that they will be very excited and pleased to see themselves referred to in this place today. Lord Boyce is a paid director of WS Atkins and of Vosper Thornycroft. I may be wrong, as I have just had a quick perusal of the Hansard from the other place. I do not know, Mr. Deputy Speaker, what the rules are and I doubt whether they have broken any of them. However, I will say that former chiefs of staff are probably earning more from their directorships than paid Members of this House and that if they do not want to declare those directorships and if they want to get politicised and personalised—
- Hansard source (Citation: HC Deb, 12 December 2007, c355)
Michael Lord (Deputy Speaker)
Order. I hesitate to interrupt the hon. Gentleman. It is one thing to refer to the qualifications and interests of Members of the other House, but he must be careful not to imply anything else when he makes these remarks.
- Hansard source (Citation: HC Deb, 12 December 2007, c357)
Eric Joyce (PPS (Rt Hon John Hutton, Secretary of State), Department for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform; Falkirk, Labour)
I appreciate that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Let me just say that if they want to become personalised and politicised and to earn lots of money from interests that they do not declare before they make a speech, that will enormously devalue how they are perceived. That would be a great pity, as it would devalue their advice and their comments, which would be highly regrettable.
Just have the balls to say it Eric: They’re on the take!
Come on folks. Stop letting these bastards take the piss out of you all. Make your voices heard.
Dead Men tell no tales!……. Or do they?
This one most certainly is. His “tale” is unfolding before our very eyes. He may be “dead” but, in the words of the Prophet, Charlie Sheen, he’s “WINNING”!
AND AMERICANS (the majority of them) STILL CAN’T FIGURE IT OUT!
A passage from Lord Desai (yes the LSE Economist and Rothschild Indian boy!) from his book: “Re-thinking Islamism: the ideology of the New Terror”.
It is in the course of answering the first question that Bin Laden starts with the issue of Israel/Palestine. After asserting that ‘The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased’, he makes the following astounding assertion:
It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be uponTHE IDEOLOGY OF GLOBAL ISLAMISM
him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islam, the religion of all the Prophets. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic umma that believes in all the Prophets of God — and we make no distinction between them.
Such a proposition will be regarded as far-fetched if not outrageous. But in one sense Bin Laden shrewdly exploits Wis faux naivete about Islam being the only religion that envelops the two previous mono- theisms of the Middle East. Thus he seriously wants Americans to convert to Islam. In the answer to the second question above, he says: ‘The first thing we are calling you to is Islam’.
Bin Laden calls Islam ‘the seal of all the previous religions’, by which he means Judaism and Christianity. He does not admit the existence of any other religion — Buddhism, Hinduism or Zoro- astrianism. He invites the Americans to accept ‘complete submis- sion to His Laws; and the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories, and religions which contradict the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad’. But he is not that naive and does not pursue this matter further; the bulk of his answer is de- voted to a critique of the American way of life in all its aspects. The very first injunction gives a flavour of what is to follow:
We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honor, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury.
In short, give up Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, many Americans might say. He does not approve of the fact that America is ruled by the Constitution and its own made laws rather than the Sharia. He hates usury, which is permitted in America. He denounces gambling, sexual exposure and the exploitation of sex, sale of drugs and alcohol. He accuses America of having exported HIV/AIDS to the world (quite falsely of course), of not signing up to the Kyoto Agreement (quite rightly), of preventing the spread of democracy abroad, of aiding Israel to flout UN resolutions, of seek- ing immunity from the International Criminal Court for Americans while pursuing foreign war criminals, of monitoring the human rights performance of other countries while allowing Guantanamo Bay to exist for the incarceration of prisoners without conviction. The political set of demands however are starkly presented at the end of this statement. Among them are
• Stop supporting Israel, the Indians in Kashmir, the Russians against the Chechens and the Manila Government against the Muslim guerrillas.
• Get out of our lands, do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins.
• End your support for our corrupt leaders or else expect us in New York and Washington.
• Deal with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of subjugation, theft and occupation.
The entire message ends with a warning that if his demands are not heeded, Americans will lose the crusade Bush has launched.
If you Americans do not respond, then your fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.
WHAT A GUY! GUY IN CAVE WITH SANDALS AND BEARD DESTROYS A NATION ACTING LIKE A NEW BABYLON. SOUNDS A LITTLE LIKE JESUS NOW DOESN'T IT?
I’m sure he had a “Last Supper” with his disciples (Kissinger, Brzezinski, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz etc) and rose again: OBAMA!
AMERICA: STILL BEING FCUKED BY A DEAD MAN! HOWZAT?
Because he was neither dead nor alive in terms of all of the above. “He” was an ideology of people MUCH closer to you America!
My favourite segment in this:
“We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honor, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury.
In short, give up Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, many Americans might say.”
“He” sounds like a decent sort of fellow doesn’t he? While if Americans just see all of that as “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” and that is ALL they see it as, then now wonder they’re fcuked! 
If nothing else, “Bin Laden” was a prophet!
Bin Laden also co-wrote the following books/texts:
“The Grand Chessboard” 1997
“Rebuilding America’s Defences” 2000
It’s ALL poppycock!
I think this is worth a blog all to itself:
Afghanistan: Opium Poppy Production
Lord Acton
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
According to the United Nations annual poppy crop survey in Afghanistan, what was the level of opium poppy cultivation and production in hectares and tonnes in Afghanistan in each year from 2000 to 2004. [HL1282]
§Baroness Symons of Vernham DeanThe United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) conducts an annual survey into the level of opium poppy cultivation and production in Afghanistan. It has reported levels of cultivation and production since 1999 as follows:
Hectares Tonnes 1999 91,000 4,600 2000 82,000 3,300 2001 8,000 185 2002 74,000 3,400 2003 80,000 3,600 2004 131,000 4,200
The UNODC figures for 1999, 2000 and 2001 were recorded under the Taliban regime. The low level of cultivation and low production figure in 2001 reflect the Taliban ban on opium cultivation; the ban did not however address the underlying causes of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, which was enforced with a mix of threat and bribery and drove up the price of opium, benefiting those with opium stockpiles.
And to finish off her sentence then (considering the increase once we went in – and it has grown even larger since):
“the ban did not however address the underlying causes of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan and was enforced with a mix of threat and bribery – (which, of course, the British government would never resort to in forcing people in this country to stop growing even marijuana never mind opium) – so we stopped the threats and the bribes and actually pay them to keep growing it” IN FACT, ACCORDING TO LORD ROTHSCHILD’S AGENT, LORD GUTHRIE OF CRAIGIEBANK, WE’LL EVEN BUY IT FROM THEM BEFORE “DESTROYING IT”.Dear Lord Guthrie: May I please have your Lordfulship’s permission to cultivate 1 acre of land for marijuana or opium growth here in the UK? Once grown and well tended, I will accept a fair price for the land and product derived from it and you may then burn it to the ground if you so wish. It will allow my family to “live and feed” in this economic catastrophe that bastard you work for created. I am sure your Lordfulship’s boss, Lord Rothschild (of N.M. Rothschild of which you are a Director) would see the exceptional return on such an investment! It’s a “radical” idea as you say but Whaddya say Guthrie dude? Deal? “He is a Director of N M Rothschild & Sons Limited” general-the-lord-guthrie-of-craigiebank What happens when the Rothschilds own the ass of your Chief of the Defence staff? A criminal conspiracy between International bankers and the Armed Forces of Her Majesty’s Government! No, not theory: Absolute fact! Guthrie: YOU CRIMINAL, CORRUPT FCUKING WANKER! Hear him say it if you don’t believe it! Sorry all you well meaning Forces guys out there but you have got to be fcuking thick as shit not to be able to work this shit out! So here, this is dedicated to you: History, then, repeats itself:Guthrie: "We'll buy the poppies, then get stoned at the cenotaph! It'll be a riot!"
EAST INDIA REVENUE ACCOUNTS.
HC Deb 06 June 1907 vol 175 cc865-948*EARL PERCY The hon. Member is acquainted with a part of Persia with which I am not familiar. It seems to me that the Government ought to have some security that simultaneous action will be taken by the States in the vicinity of China before we commit ourselves to definite action. My second contention is that by reducing the area of cultivation, the Government are inflicting very great hardship on India, with a minimum of advantage to the cause of morality in China………….I believe it has long been the policy of the Indian Government—I think ever since 1893—to reduce the export. But at the same time that they have reduced the export they have deliberately increased the area of cultivation, and that policy when challenged in this House was always defended on the ground that its object was not to push the sale of opium, but merely to prevent the violent fluctuations in price which would result from a temporary shortage in the crop, either in China or India, by keeping a stock in reserve equivalent to a six months’ supply. What will be the effect of departing from that policy?………….. It amounts to. £3,500,000 a year, and I do not think that anyone who reads the statement of Mr. Baker can fail to perceive that he does not regard the surrender of the opium revenue with anything like a feeling of equanimity. His argument, if I remember aright, was that it might be acquiesced in provided that it was done sufficiently slowly. But the loss to India would be not merely the loss of revenue. There is the loss to the shipping trade and the loss of a valuable staple export. The Party opposite ought to be particularly careful how they compromise the capacity of India to pay her debts by exports. The opium export trade represents a value of £6,000,000 a year, and if you take in the by-products—the seeds used for food and lighting, soap, varnish, and other chemical preparations—it amounts to a considerably larger figure than that……Now that we smashed the Taliban, Kharzai, and we gave you a new Rothschild controlled Central Bank and we’re going to rebuild your country and give you vaccinations and mobile phones plus insurances and debt etc etc, you owe us big time! It ook a lot of dollars and pounds to divest ourselves of those missiles so it’s now time to hand over the oil and gas pipelines (NOT to the Argentinians!) and pay your jews – I mean dues!
That’s sweet looking Opium you’ve got there!
BRING THE BOYS BACK HOME!
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re using them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re abusing them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re lying to them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re murdering them.
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re poisoning them.
Bring the boys back home: Because they’re fighting YOUR wars not theirs!
Bring the boys back home: Because you’re profiting from their death.
Bring the boys back home: Because they’re just killing for your profit.
Bring the boys back home: Because you couldn’t give a fcuk about them!
Bring the boys back home: Because we need them to destroy YOU not Arabs!
Bring the boys back home: Because they know not what they do nor why.
Bring the boys back home: THEN let’s see you make your profits and your globalisation work!
BRITISH TROOPS: If only they understood the "game". The Grand Chessboard within which they are used.
BRING THE BOYS BACK HOME: BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW U R ANIALLY DEPLETED CUNTS WHO DESTROY THEIR WORLD SO THEY HAVE NOTHING LEFT BUT TO BE PAID TO KILL.
YOUR “ANTHEM”: “THEY HATE US BECAUSE WE’RE FREE”.
YES INDEED. BUT WHO ARE FREE? US? NO, ONLY YOU! AND IT IS YOU THEY HAVE ALWAYS HATED NOT US, BECAUSE WE HATE YOU TOO!
AND HERE’S JUST ONE REASON WHY:
The use of DEPLETED URANIUM worldwide which you have never tested and never had the intention to. Nuclear poisoning of not only the Arab world but Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Serbia but also the UK and Europe as a whole.
DEPLETED URANIUM IS PYROPHORIC AND YOU’VE POISONED OUR AIR!
YOU BASTARDS!
CLIMATE CHANGE? GIVE ME A BREAK YOU PSYCHOPATHIC MORONS!
Depleted Uranium Ammunition
HL Deb 22 January 1998 vol 584 cc1607-101607
§ 3.16 p.m.
§The Countess of Mar asked Her Majesty’s Government:
§ Where, and under what conditions, depleted uranium ammunition is being manufactured in the United Kingdom.
§The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence (Lord Gilbert)
My Lords, the 120 millimetre ammunition for the Challenger 2 main battle tank has a depleted uranium component, which is being manufactured at Royal Ordnance plc’s specialist materials facility at Featherstone, near Wolverhampton; the ammunition is then assembled into complete rounds at the Royal 1608 Ordnance factory Birtley. Responsibility for conditions of manufacture and compliance with legislation on radiological site licensing rests with Royal Ordnance plc, which is owned by British Aerospace plc.
§The Countess of Mar
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his Answer. Does the noble Lord accept that depleted uranium has a half-life of 4.5 billion years; that because of its highly pyrophoric nature on impact it produces uranium dioxide dust which can be carried several miles in the wind; and that that dust is both chemically toxic and radioactive and is implicated in a number of cancers, including lung cancer and leukaemia, kidney problems and birth defects? Therefore, is the Minister satisfied with the safety of the community in Scotland where, I understand, test firing is carried out into the ground and into the Solway Firth from the Dundrennan army base near Kirkcudbright?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, far be it from me to challenge the remarks or the mastery of statistics of the noble Countess, Lady Mar. All I can say is that we have no knowledge whatever of any danger to the civilian population living in the neighbourhood of that particular test range, just as we have absolutely no knowledge of any dangers sustained by Her Majesty’s Forces in the Gulf when DU was used in the conflict.
[And do you know WHY they have "no knowledge"? Because they have NEVER conducted any tests into the issue! Do you know why? Because it's not THEM who go to war for one thing, it's Kissinger's "dumb and stupid animals used in foreign policy" and, let me add, used for profit! While your arms and legs get blown off, you're also being poisoned but hey, your families like you to join the Forces - you're a hero! Ignore the fact you're being murdered by your very "own", "My son's a hero". Well, that's "love" for ya!]
§Lord Jenkins of Putney
My Lords, is my noble friend the Minister aware of the fact that the use of depleted uranium has killed and maimed thousands of Iraqis, hundreds of American troops and an unknown number of British troops as a result of its use in the Gulf War? Therefore, will the Government do two things? First, will they investigate the possibility that this weapon is already bannable under the chemical weapons convention? Secondly, if it is not banned, will the Government consider doing so because it is ultimately a chemical weapon and should be banned under existing legislation? If that is not so, then there ought to be legislation to ban it.
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, not for the first time I am not sure that I can share all the premises in my noble friend’s questions. In 1993 the defence radiological protection service concluded that there was no indication of harmful over-exposure of British troops to DU in the Gulf. Tests were made on some Gulf veterans who were concerned that they might have inhaled depleted uranium dust and that that might have had an adverse effect upon them, but none was found to have experienced detectable contamination. Similarly, as far as we know, no British troops sustained injuries from DU ammunition.
§Lord Mackie of Benshie
My Lords, can the Minister tell the House what is good about depleted uranium ammunition?
§Lord Gilbert
Yes, my Lords; it is extremely hard and is the only ammunition that is capable of penetrating the armour of the latest main battle tanks.
§Lord Burnham
My Lords, I have a simplistic question for the Minister; namely, what is the definition of depleted uranium with particular reference to the degree of toxicity?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, the noble Lord asks a highly technical question. Indeed, I should be in great 1609 difficulty if I try to answer it and give technical definitions of what constitutes depleted uranium. However, I shall be happy to get the noble Lord a technical answer and will ensure that it is put into the record.
§Lord Parry
My Lords, on a simpler level, can the Minister reassure the House as to whether civilian carriers of the shells were warned of possible dangers, whereas the military users of them, often in contained tank space, were not?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I have no recollection as to whether or not specific warnings were given to Her Majesty’s personnel at the time of the Gulf War, but we continue to have an inventory of depleted uranium ammunition. I am sure that those responsible for handling it are well aware of the risks, if any, to which they might be exposed. Our view is—it was the view of previous administrations—that those are very small indeed.
[But, as you shall see, while their "view" is as stated, it is that because they literally have no idea. They have not tested and they don't care to! But it is an "open secret" that DU is poisoning both the "enemy" AND our own.]
§Lord Kennet
My Lords, I am sure that the House is aware that neither the noble Lord nor I can go too far into radio chemistry. Can the Minister confirm that depleted uranium is about 60 per cent. as radioactive as undepleted uranium? Since there is nothing to do with depleted uranium except to make it into bullets, about a billion pounds’ weight of depleted uranium is in store in the United States. If that is so, what is the corresponding figure in this country?
[ Actually wrong. DU is used in civil applications also particularly as counterweights]
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I think that I should bring an encyclopedia with me to answer some of my noble friend’s questions. Not for the first time my noble friend defeats me with his statistics
This material is not made into bullets in the normal sense of the word. It is put into the front end of tank shells. The only exception is the Royal Navy which has some depleted uranium ammunition for the Phalanx close-in weapons system.
Earl Howe
My Lords, have the Government any assessment of the potential environmental effects of depleted uranium contamination on the battlefield? If so, what conclusions have they reached?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I am not aware of whether our predecessors made any assessment. Certainly this Government have not been invited to do so. It is rather out of date for us now to make such an assessment.
[Out of date? This was 1998. Out of date? They CONTINUED to use the stuff and continue to this day! Too late for gulf war vets but not for Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and whoever is next! The point is that they just don't give a fcuk!]
However, the only specific source of concern is that in some circumstances we believe that the radiation can be slightly increased when one of the shells hits the armour of an opposing tank.
[That's just funny! "slightly increased". It's like saying "take an umbrella, there is a slight chance of rain today!]
§Lord Ironside
My Lords, are there any proposals for using depleted uranium—of which there is quite a lot in the world—to replace lead shot in shotguns? Would that alter the ballistics of the gun and create safety problems?
[Is this guy fcuking serious?]
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I am not normally familiar with the habits of the hunting-shooting fraternity. 1610 I should have thought that noble Lords opposite would know far more about its intentions than I would. But I have heard nothing of the kind.
§The Countess of Mar
My Lords, is the Minister aware that there is evidence that the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority was asked to go to the battlefields in Iraq and Kuwait to estimate the problems that might result from the depleted uranium left there after the war? Is the noble Lord aware that it was estimated that there might be some 500,000 deaths of civilians and soldiers; and that some 300 to 800 pounds of depleted uranium had been left in the Gulf?
I have put down a number of Questions for Written Answer on the subject, to which I have had no Answer. Will the noble Lord answer them and publish the answers in Hansard?
§Lord Gilbert
My Lords, I cannot reply off the top of my head to the quite extraordinary statistics that the noble Countess produced; but I should be very surprised if 500,000 people were killed from any causes during the Gulf War.
[That's a brush off and a "No" then is it?]
Radiation
HC Deb 06 December 1999 vol 340 cc439-43W
Mr. Livsey
To ask the Secretary of State for Health if his Department will commission research into the health effects of(a) ingested and (b) inhaled uranium as a result of exposure to ammunition containing depleted uranium. [100842]
§Yvette Cooper
The Department has not commissioned any research into the effects of exposure to depleted uranium and has no plans to do so.
["It's not something we really give much thought to. After all, it isn't us or our children going out there or being poisoned and I think my ovaries and my husband's testicles are working ok! So what's the big deal?"]
So let’s consider George Robertson’s “I’m no gonnae tell ye that man!”
Depleted Uranium Weapons
HC Deb 01 July 1999 vol 334 c247W247W
§Mr. Corbyn
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what is the total stock of depleted uranium weaponry held by the UK. [88889]
§Mr. George Robertson
I am withholding the detailed information under exemption la of the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information relating to defence, security and international relations. Depleted uranium-based ammunition is used because it offers better performance than other alternatives and, therefore, gives our Armed Forces greater operational capability.
§Mr. Corbyn
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many depleted uranium weapons are held by British forces based in Albania, Macedonia and Kosovo. [88963]
§Mr. George Robertson
I am withholding this information under exemption 1 of the Code of Practice to Government Information relating to defence, security and international relations.
§Mr. Cotter
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will estimate how much depleted uranium was dropped on(a) Kosovo and (b) Serbia in the course of recent NATO action. [89067]
§Mr. George Robertson
The UK did not use depleted uranium (DU) ammunition during the air campaign over Kosovo and Serbia. The United States is the only member of the Alliance to have said that it used DU ammunition. I am not in a position to estimate the amount used.
[Were our forces in the region? Ah yes they were. So WE didn't use it therefore our guys can't be affected by it. Is that the suggestion here Georgie? You fcuking TURD!]
So let’s move on to some blatant lies shall we? This is the “Oops we need to keep better track of what we say” section. (I had similar experience of this sort of thing during a court case in Singapore – it’s when I recognised the judicial system is corrupt, arrogant and couldn’t give a damn about outright perjury. It’s not “justice”, it’s THEIR “justice”):
Weapons Testing (Scotland)
HC Deb 29 March 1999 vol 328 c483W483W
§Mr. Dalyell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what testing of depleted uranium weapons has taken place in Southern Scotland. [77356]
§Mr. Doug Henderson
[holding answer 18 March 1999]: Since the test-firing of depleted uranium (DU) based ammunition was approved in 1979 all testing of such ammunition in southern Scotland has been conducted at Kirkcudbright and West Freugh (near Stanraer). The trials at West Freugh, which took place in 1988 and 1990, tested Vulcan Phalanx ammunition and were very limited in nature, with only 200 small calibre rounds (around 20kg) being fired. The testing of 120mm DU-based ammunition for the Challenger main battle tank, which takes place at Kirkcudbright, started in 1982. Since the end of the Challenger tank development programme in 1997 this testing has been significantly reduced and currently only a small number of rounds are fired each year to check manufacturing quality.
Just 2 years later (and bear in mind Spellar refers to the Gulf War, therefore, he is speaking in terms of years/decades not just “now” 2001)
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 24 January 2001 vol 361 cc577-8W577W
§Mr. Duncan Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if depleted uranium rounds are routinely carried by Challenger tanks on operations and training exercises. [146899]
§Mr. Spellar
[holding answer 23 January 2001]Depleted uranium rounds are not carried by Challenger tanks on exercise and are moved to a theatre of operations only if the circumstances suggest that they may be needed. For example, each Challenger 1 carried DU ammunition when deployed to the Gulf in 1990–01. DU ammunition is not currently held in the Balkans, but could be flown out at short notice should the situation warrant it.
[ It's not "While we did so before we don't do it now", it is a statement suggesting it has never been done. He's either incompetent, ill-advised or a liar. I know which I choose]
Depleted Uranium Ammunition
HC Deb 02 July 1993 vol 227 cc639-40W639W
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether depleted uranium ammunition continues to be test fired at Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright ranges.
§Mr. Aitken
Yes.
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 14 June,Official Report, column 474, for what reason air samples are not taken at Kirkcudbright range to check for depleted uranium radioactivity; if he will consider the taking of such samples; and if he will make a statement.
§Mr. Aitken
Air samples are not necessary at Kirkcudbright because the depleted uranium penetrators are not fired against a hard target. There is, therefore, no significant dispersion of radioactive material into the air.
[So they just fire them into the air and, I guess, they drop in the ocean and, if they're lucky, they catch a fish! No need to cook in a microwave then huh? Meanwhile, Eskmeals in Cumbria? I'd guess they must be fired at a hard target there!]
Oh yes! They are! How about that!
“The Eskmeals site offers weapon and equipment proving trials. This included test firing of projectiles made up in part of depleted uranium, and the use of ‘hard targets’ for testing the effectiveness of armour plating containing depleted uranium. The firing programme using depleted uranium projectiles is currently suspended, but there are no plans to close the site”
Depleted Uranium Ammunition
HC Deb 08 March 1979 vol 963 cc777-8W777W
§Mr. Woodall
asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the use of depleted uranium ammunition in the United Kingdom.
§Mr. Mulley
A research and development and proof firing programme of anti-armour ammunition with depleted uranium penetrators will take place at Ministry of Defence ranges in the United Kingdom, starting at the Proof and Experimental Establishment, Eskmeals, Cumbria, in 1980. The high density and778W metallurgical properties of this material appear to make it particularly suitable for use in anti-armour ammunition which we are constantly seeking to improve in response to the preponderance of Warsaw Pact tanks on the Central Front and improvements being made to them. The United States Air Force will also store ammunition containing depleted uranium alloy—known as staballoy in the United States—for its A-10 aircraft in this country. Depleted uranium is already being handled and worked safely in this country for a variety of civil applications, and ammunition containing it is in no sense a nuclear or radiological weapon. [ha....ha. They're hilarious aren't they? And these people are considered "cream of the crop" intelligence wise?]
Test firings will only be used for research and development purposes. There is no intention either by the USAF or the British Army to use depleted uranium for training purposes in the United Kingdom in peacetime.
[Big massive lie there then because they ARE used in training as we have already seen. I guess they changed their mind then.]
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 19 June 2000 vol 352 c27W27W
§Mr. Alasdair Morgan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) how many depleted uranium shells have been fired at hard targets in the Solway Firth from DERA’s Kirkcudbright ranges; and what quantity of depleted uranium was used in each of the last five years; [125717]
(2) if he will estimate the amount of depleted uranium particulate dust that has been released as a result of test firings of depleted uranium shells from DERA’s Kirkcudbright ranges on hard targets in the Solway Firth in the last five years. [125718]
§Mr. Spellar
Although the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (DERA) conducts the depleted uranium (DU) firings at Kirkcudbright, ownership of the range, since 1 April 1997, has rested with the Army.
There have been no deliberate firings of DU at hard targets at Kirkcudbright and, therefore, in the normal course of events there is no release of particulate dust. However, there have been three occasions in the last five years when shells have misfired and hit either the ground or the target gantry. A small amount of DU dust will have entered the atmosphere as a result of these events. Remedial action has been taken in each case and the contamination removed to the satisfaction of the regulatory bodies, the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency(SEPA) and Dumfries and Galloway Council. Air samplers which have been running since 1997 have not detected any particulate DU in the atmosphere above background levels.
[Oh PLEASE explain why there would be ANY "background level" of depleted uranium in the atmosphere? Perhaps because the military actions taking place in Kosovo and Iraq etc etc cause there to be? Because, as I understand it, Uranium (depleted or otherwise) is a VERY HEAVY ELEMENT and needs to be MINED]
A total number of DU shells fired at the range in each of the past five years is as follows:
•1995: 280
•1996: 147
•1997: 749
•1998: 134
•1999: 111
Depleted Uranium
HL Deb 10 July 2003 vol 651 c55WA55WA
§Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What guidance is given by the Government to the Environment Agency, the Health and Safety Executive and local authorities with regard to sites where depleted uranium is used in the manufacture of ordnance or for any other purpose in the United Kingdom; and when that guidance was last updated and how. [HL3215]
§The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Lord Whitty)
Depleted uranium is no longer used in the manufacture of ordnance. The regulators are fully aware of the issues that need to be addressed in the regulation of the storage or disposal of depleted uranium. The Government do not presently see a need for guidance on this issue.
[Another bare faced lie.]
Depleted Uranium Munitions
HC Deb 29 January 2003 vol 398 c854W854W
§Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether(a) British forces and (b) United States forces deployed to the Gulf have depleted uranium munitions available as part of their armoury. [91974]
§Mr. Ingram
I can confirm that British Forces deployed to the Gulf will have depleted uranium munitions available as part of the armoury. The deployment of depleted uranium munitions by US Forces, is a matter for the US Government.
[But hey, the idea of testing on DU is "out of date" yet just 5 years later we're still using it. After THIS war however, to ask the question again will be "out of date". I wish someone would tell these bastards that, unlike milk and bread etc (or GMO food), Depleted Uranium really doesn't have a sell by date on it. It has a half life of 4.5 BILLON YEARS! Oh but they have been told. I guess it just doen't compute for the stupid pricks OR, alternatiely, they just don't wish to acknowledge it. After all, it's helping them to destroy nations, rebuild in their image, introduce a Rothschild/Western owned Central bank, get the IMF in and make HUGE PROFITS by controlling ANOTHER few economies of nations. Sovereignty? What's that? You're only sovereign if YOU hold the nukes, the DU and the Military arsenal. So tell me Salmond, where's OUR military? Oh yes I forgot, it'll be supplied by the EU you're taking us into. But wait a minute, didn't you say we'd be independent? Ah! Just not independent of the same cunts that are detroying the world like the UN, IMF, BIS, your pal Al Gore and his Global Warming crap and anyone else that'll give wee Alex their financial backing for being the feudal "Lord" of the Scottish "nation". And your SNP voters love ye Alex you little twat!]
Weapons of Mass Destruction
HC Deb 18 June 2003 vol 407 c252W252W
§Mr. Peter Duncan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many of the bunker-buster missiles used in Iraq were tipped with depleted uranium. [118323]
§Mr. Ingram
There is no air-launched ordnance containing depleted uranium in United Kingdom service.
[ANOTHER total fcuking lie!]
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 19 July 1999 vol 335 cc423-4W423W
§30.Mr. Gordon Prentice
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence for what reasons the Army does not hold depleted uranium munitions. [90229]
§Mr. Doug Henderson
The Army does hold stocks of depleted uranium based ammunition.
§Helen Jackson
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many individuals(a) in or formerly with the armed forces and (b) in Southern Iraq have been tested specifically for evidence of depleted uranium contamination. [90363]
§Mr. Doug Henderson
There is no central record of any health tests conducted for those still serving or for those who have left the armed forces. ["Who gives a shit" right?]
The Ministry of Defence is aware of the suggestion that exposure to depleted uranium (DU) is a cause of ill-health among some veterans of the 1990–91 Gulf conflict. Any Gulf veteran who is concerned that their health has been adversely affected by service during that conflict is entitled to seek a referral to the Ministry of Defence’s Gulf Veterans’ Medical Assessment Programme (MAP) for a full medical assessment. During assessment, the patient receives a set of standard tests. If the examining physician considers it clinically appropriate for a patient to receive tests to detect DU, these would be arranged. Between one and five people so far examined by MAP physicians, have exhibited symptoms that, in the judgment of the examining physicians, have indicated a clinical requirement for testing to detect DU, and have been tested.
However, a very small number of UK troops, who expressed concern that they might have inhaled DU dust during preparatory training in Saudi Arabia before the state of hostilities, were subjected to Whole Body Monitoring in February 1991. They showed no detectable contamination. [Using what? Were the batteries in?]
The Ministry of Defence is also aware of reports of DU testing undertaken by Professor Sharma of the University of Waterloo, Ontario, and Dr. Durakovic of Georgetown University, Washington. Dr. Durakovic discussed their work in general terms with Ministry of Defence officials in February 1999, when he explained that they are carrying out a study into uranium levels among veterans of the Gulf conflict, in which it is understood a small 424W number of UK Gulf veterans and Iraqi nationals are participating. Dr. Durakovic indicated that they plan to publish their findings, including details of the methodology they are using and the results obtained, later this year. Their work is not being undertaken at the request of the Ministry of Defence and any UK Gulf veterans who choose to participate do so on a voluntary basis. [Again, we don't give a fcuk!]
The healthcare of Iraqi nationals, including any testing for the presence of DU, is a matter for the Iraqi Government.
[Now THAT says it all! Because not only do they not give a flying fart in regard to what they have done to Iraq and the entire Middle East region, he also says "any testing for the presence of DU" is not the British Government's concern WHILE we then sent British troops out there! (4.5 BILLION YEARS half life!) Again, then,"We don't give a fcuk about ANYBODY. Iraqi OR our troops!"]
Iraq
HC Deb 12 May 1999 vol 331 c309309
§Q1.Mr. Tam Dalyell (Linlithgow)
What assessment he has made of the impact of the damage to (a) the water supply and (b) oil facilities in Iraq as a result of bombing since 23 March.
§The Prime Minister (Mr. Tony Blair)
Patrols of the no-fly zones remain a vital humanitarian task to protect the Kurds in the north and the Shias in the south of Iraq. Since 23 March, our aircraft have been shot at or threatened some 75 times. Iraqi facilities that pose a threat may be targeted in self-defence; there is, however, no question of our targeting oil facilities or water supplies. Iraq has claimed that one such strike on part of its air defence network temporarily disrupted oil supplies, although no oil pipeline was damaged. We are unaware of any disruption to water supplies.
[Sovereign nation defending itself. Hmmm. If Iraq had attacked us wouldn't we be shooting at them or threatening them?]
§Mr. Dalyell
What is the assessment of the effect of depleted uranium on the water supply and on the health of the civilian population?
§The Prime Minister
We have no such assessment, but we take the utmost care in what we do to make sure that we do not attach ourselves to the water or oil supplies. Indeed, as I said, there is evidence that, as a result of the action, one oil pipeline was damaged, but there is no evidence of damage to water supplies.
I point out to my hon. Friend that we have the no-fly zones to protect the Iraqi people from the Iraqi leader; otherwise, he would be free to do as he did, for example, when he used chemical weapons to kill 5,000 Kurds in the north of Iraq. This is a mission of protection—protection of the Iraqi people.
[Chemical weapons the west supplied him to use against Iranian people! But let's ignore that! You hypocritical little cunt Blair! Meanwhile, the DU you use is indiscriminate and is, effectively a chemical (pyrophonic) poisonous, radiation. Humanitarian my ass! You were well paid off by Rothschild after all of this though weren't you Tony? $2M (then a hell of a lot more) per year pimped out to J.P.Morgan by Evelyn and his wifey! - You sick criminal bastard!]
§Mr. Dalyell
On a point of order, Madam Speaker. In view of the unsatisfactory nature of the Prime Minister’s reply, I give notice that I hope to raise this matter on a motion for the Adjournment.
See also: libya-depleted-uranium-and-a-british-mps-hypocrisy-part-2
and: libya-depleted-uranium-and-a-british-mps-hypocrisy
and
Armed forces minister sorry for misleading MPs over depleted uranium
MoD urged to phase out use of depleted uranium weapons after armed forces minister admits review was never carried out
Dundrennan missile testing range, where depleted uranium ordinance was tested. The range includes farmland. Photograph: Murdo Macleod for the Guardian
minister-sorry-dangers-depleted-uranium?newsfeed=true
They’re ALWAYS “Sorry”. Sorry for being caught. Sorry for making “mistakes”.
No. THEY SHOULD BE SORRY FOR BEING A BUNCH OF LYING BASTARDS AND A SORRY EXCUSE FOR HUMAN! What the smell of MONEY will do to people!
BILDERBERG invite you in to the “Inner Circle” and you’ll feed your Granny DU for breakfast!
And it goes on….. and on….and on……
Tartan Warrior
HC Deb 05 July 1995 vol 263 cc268-9W268W
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many sorties were flown during the recent exercise Tartan Warrior; how many of these were by ground attack aircraft; and what was the minimum permitted altitude for the ground attack aircraft involved in the exercise. [31336]
§Mr. Soames
A total of 289 sorties were flown during the exercise, of which 200 were by ground attack aircraft. The minimum permitted altitude for the majority of the low-level sorties flown by ground attack aircraft was 250 ft minimum separation distance with a small proportion of sorties permitted down to 100 ft minimum separation distance.
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§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what advance information was given to the media concerning Exercise Tartan Warrior; and if he will list those media organisations to whom the information was sent. [31340]
§Mr. Soames
Exercise Tartan Warrior was a small-scale squadron training exercise and in the circumstances advance information was not given to the media about all of the activity involved. Details of the use of Tain air weapons range were provided to Moray Firth Radio and to Aberdeen Journals Ltd.
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many of the ground attack sorties during exercise Tartan Warrior involved carriage of live weapons. [31339]
§Mr. Soames
Five sorties involved carriage of live weapons for practice ground attacks on Garvie Island weapons range.
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what was the aim of the recent Tartan Warrior exercise; how many aircraft and of what types took part; and what plans he has for further exercises in this series. [31335]
§Mr. Soames
The aim of the exercise was to provide both routine squadron training, and work-up prior to Exercise Air Warrior in the USA, for No. 41 Sqn RAF Coltishall. The following aircraft took part:
•Ten Jaguar GR1As
•Six Tornado GR1s
•Eight Tornado F3s
•Eight USAF F15s
A further exercise in the headquarters No. 1 group Tartan series involving No. 6 Sqn RAF Coltishall is planned for October 1995.
Garvie Island, Sutherland
HC Deb 08 February 2000 vol 344 c111W111W
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what supervisory arrangements are operated to monitor the use by foreign military forces of Garvie Island, Sutherland, as a target. [108992]
§Mr. Spellar
Any use of ranges at Garvie Island is governed by UK regulations and is directly supervised by UK military personnel.
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he has approved the use of Garvie Island in Sutherland for shelling by US warships; and if he will make a statement. [108991]
§Mr. Spellar
I have not approved Garvie Island in Sutherland for any use by US warships.
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if depleted uranium-based ammunition is authorised for use at Garvie Island, Sutherland, by(a) UK forces and (b) overseas forces; and if he will make a statement. [108993]
§Mr. Spellar
Depleted uranium is not authorised for use at Garvie Island either by UK or overseas forces.
§Mr. Maclennan
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence under what arrangements exercises by non-UK forces are conducted involving the(a) shelling and (b) bombing of Garvie Island, Sutherland; and if he will make a statement. [108990]
§Mr. Spellar
The range at Garvie Island is open to use by members of NATO. All exercises are conducted under UK regulations and are under the direct control of UK military personnel. Garvie Island is used only by aircraft. There is no shelling of the island.
Garvie Island
HC Deb 27 November 1979 vol 974 cc1096-71096
§16.Mr. Maclennan
asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will review the arrangements to secure safety at the Gar-vie Island range in North-West Sutherland.
§The Under-Secretary of State for Defence for the Royal Navy (Mr. Keith Speed)
Various measures, some introduced only late last year, are in force which are designed to ensure the safe operation of the Garvie Island range. Operations cease if it is believed that the range is not clear.
§Mr. Maclennan
Is the Minister aware that in the last two months there have been episodes which have alarmed fishermen from my constituency because shells have landed within 300 yards of their vessels? Is he aware that arrangements entered into last year appear not to be working as they might? Will he examine this urgently?
§Mr. Speed
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the letter that he sent me. I shall certainly investigate the matter. The last official complaint that we had 1097 about Garvie was in July 1977, and about the Cape Wrath gunnery range on 13 November last year. We shall, of course, look into all complaints.
Garvie Island
HC Deb 22 November 1991 vol 199 cc350-1W350W
Mr. O’Neill
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what exercises have been carried out on Garvie island in the last month; and how many times in the last two years exercises have been carried out on Garvie island at the weekend.
§Mr. Archie Hamilton
The Garvie island range has been in use on 11 occasions over the last month and on two Saturdays during the past two years. Specific details are as follows:
Date
Activity
Use of Garvie island over the last month
8 October
Aircraft bombing exercise
29 October
Aircraft bombing exercise
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Date
Activity
30 October
Aircraft bombing exercise
5 November
Aircraft bombing exercise
8 November
Aircraft bombing exercise
14 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
15 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
16 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
18 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
19 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
20 November
Offshore naval gunfire exercise
Use of Garvie island at weekends over past two years
2 February 1991
Aircraft bombing exercise
28 September 1991
Aircraft bombing exercise
Bombing Exercise (Scotland)
HC Deb 06 March 1989 vol 148 cc605-76053.34 pm
§Mrs. Margaret Ewing(Moray)(by private notice)
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the proposed live bombing exercise to be conducted in the Moray firth on 13 March.
§The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Armed Forces (Mr. Michael Neubert)
There is no question of live bombs being dropped in the Moray firth. On 13 March, which is the day of delivery of the 1,000th Stingray torpedo to the Ministry of Defence, it is planned that three wholly inert practice Stingray torpedoes will be dropped in the Moray firth to demonstrate to the press the ability of the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy to utilise this important weapon. All appropriate steps will be taken to ensure that shipping is not affected by this demonstration.
§Mrs. Ewing
We welcome the fact that live bombs will not be used, but why did the Minister not take the opportunity that was offered on Thursday when I tabled a written question on the matter to deny that they would be used? When the Ministry of Defence was contacted by the press in Scotland during the weekend, it did not take the opportunity to deny that live bombs would be used. That has caused a great deal of worry to people involved in fishing, the oil industry and aviation in the north and north-east of Scotland. Why is it so important to drop even inert bombs in territorial waters rather than in international waters, as is usual?
§Mr. Neubert
I learnt of the confusion only through the medium of the United States navy exercise called Exercise North Star 89 which is taking place from today until 15 March. During the exercise, aircraft from the US navy aircraft carrier USS America will undertake practice bombing missions. They will drop live ordnance on Garvie island and practice bombs on the training range at Tain. There is no question of live bombs being dropped in the Moray firth or anywhere else in United Kingdom territorial waters.
The concern has arisen as a result of a pamphlet, published by Mr. Malcolm Spaven, entitled “Scottish Defence News”. He is an academic and adviser to several Opposition Members on aviation matters. He has confused the two events, and caused confusion and a great deal of unnecessary anxiety, for which I cannot be held responsible.
§Sir Hector Monro(Dumfries)
Does my hon. Friend agree that it is irresponsible of Opposition Members to raise this matter and to criticise the Royal Air Force for carrying out its training obligations within all the rules and regulations? Does my hon. Friend further agree that the two RAF stations—Kinloss and Lossiemouth—operate to the very highest standards in the Royal Air Force?
§Mr. Neubert
That is undoubtedly true. My hon. Friend is right to suggest that this is, if anything, a mischievous attempt to confuse issues which would otherwise be entirely straightforward.
§Mr. George Foulkes(Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley)
When will Scotland stop being used as the playground of the Royal Air Force? Is the Minister aware that the hon. Member for Dumfries (Sir H. Monro) joined 606 me, the right hon. Member for Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale (Mr. Steel) and the hon. Member for Moray (Mrs. Ewing) to protest strongly at the huge increase in low-level flying—down to 100 ft—over the whole of the south-west of Scotland?
§Mr. Speaker
Order. The question is about bombing.
§Mr. Foulkes
If they were doing it over Croydon you. would understand, Mr. Speaker. It is all the same kind of thing. The Royal Air Force in Scotland and Cumbria does everything that it wants to. Does the Ministry of Defence ever say no to requests made by the RAF for such exercises and low flying?
§Mr. Neubert
I must repeat for the benefit of the hon. Member that this request arises from a press facility arranged by Marconi Underwater Systems to demonstrate a very effective weapon. The use of ranges is entirely different and well established, and I am sure that the Scottish people want to contribute to the defence of the nation.
§Mr. Bill Walker(Tayside, North)
Does my hon. Friend agree that it is a bit rich for Opposition Members to complain about the RAF’s activities when everybody knows that Scotland’s location and the RAF bases there are essential to the well-being and safety of the United Kingdom? Does my hon. Friend agree further that the people who look after the servicing and supplies to those Royal Air Force bases would find it offensive if all such activities were stopped because they are the reason why those bases are there? If the Royal Air Force wants to continue low flying in my constituency, I am happy that it should do so.
§Mr. Speaker
Order. Keep to the Moray Firth, please.
§Mr. Neubert
It is always encouraging to have my hon. Friend with his long experience of the Royal Air Force behind me on these occasions.
§Mr. Alex Salmond(Banff and Buchan)
Will the Minister explain why he did not take the opportunity to deny the story last week? Have not the fear and alarm been caused by a ridiculous public relations celebration to celebrate the 1,000th missile? If all reasonable steps have been taken to alert shipping, why has the Moray coastguard no knowledge of the exercise?
§Mr. Neubert
It may be because the press facilities were arranged for a week from today—Monday 13 March. On the point about confusion and the timing of questions and answers, the “Scottish Defence News” pamphlet is dated February 1989. It has taken a long time for this scurillous rumour to surface.
§Mr. Julian Brazier(Canterbury)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the torpedo to be used in the test, Stingray is easily the best lightweight torpedo in the world and that this test will provide another opportunity to show that the decision made nine years ago to go ahead with it was right?
§Mr. Neubert
My hon. Friend speaks well of the weapon and I hope that the 30 press people leaving from London and going to Scotland to see it demonstrated in complete safety off the Scottish coast will be equally impressed by its effectiveness.
§Dr. Norman A. Godman(Greenock and Port Glasgow)
Will the Minister give an assurance that the disruption to 607 the activities of our fishermen will be kept to a minimum? Will he also give an assurance that any debris left on the seabed will be cleaned up in the interests of our fishermen and their expensive gear?
§Mr. Neubert
I shall certainly take note of the hon. Gentleman’s point on the latter question. On the former, I assure him that every care will be taken not to disrupt local fishermen.
§Mr. Robert Maclennan(Caithness and Sutherland)
Does the Minister accept that the practice of dropping live bombs on Garvie island, which has been properly regulated for many years, has met with complete acceptance locally because of the way in which it has been conducted and that there is no question of opposing in principle the use of live weapons on those ranges? However, can he tell us when he learnt about what he has described as mischievous rumours and how quickly he moved to quell them?
§Mr. Neubert
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his opening remarks. On his second point, I learnt about the confusion from the Sunday Mail, the source of all this anxiety.
§Mr. Allan Rogers(Rhondda)
The Minister has been extremely dismissive in his answers. Is it not true that a notification about live bombing was issued by the Civil Aviation Authority in relation to the Moray firth? Is that not another example of the complete lack of liaison between the Civil Aviation Authority and the Ministry of Defence, which we see in other spheres?
§Mr. Neubert
The original premise of that question is wrong. What follows, therefore, is equally wrong.
§Mr. Andrew Welsh(Angus, East)
Will the Minister answer the question put by my hon. Friend the Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond)? Why was the Moray coastguard not informed?
§Mr. Neubert
I have already replied to that question. I pointed out that this press demonstration is taking place a week from now and that arrangements for it are made by Marconi. All who need to know will be notified.
Teamwork 90
HC Deb 26 July 1990 vol 177 c524W524W
§Mr. Andrew F. Bennett
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will provide an estimate of the cost to his Department of United Kingdom participation in NATO exercise Teamwork 90.
§Mr. Archie Hamilton
Costs attributable to exercises such as Teamwork are not indentified separately and could not be calculated without disproportionate effort. As the participation of the ships, aircraft and personnel involved is consistent with their normal training activities, the additional costs of the exercise will be limited to such items as travel and subsistence allowances.
§Mrs. Fyfe
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what activities will take place, and when, at(a) each RAF station involved in Scotland and (b) which Scottish waters in the NATO exercise Teamwork 90.
§Mr. Archie Hamilton
Current plans envisage the use of RAF bases in Scotland at Lossiemouth, Kinloss, Leuchars and Stornoway. A large number of shipping movements are planned to take place off Scotland and the Cape Wrath and Garvie Island ranges will be used. It would be inappropriate to give precise details of the timing and location of activities in the exercise, which will be held from 6 to 23 September.
Uranium-tipped Shells
HC Deb 17 October 1996 vol 282 cc1089-90W1089W
§Dr. David Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the current risk posed to civilians from exploded depleted uranium-tipped shells in Kuwait. [41101]
§Mr. Arbuthnot
My Department has conducted no formal assessment of the risks to civilians from exploded depleted uranium-tipped ammunition in Kuwait.
§Dr. Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning the risk to soldiers of handling depleted uranium-tipped shells. [41100]
§Mr. Soames
Depleted uranium has a very low level of radioactivity and the risks attached to the handling of depleted uranium ammunition are minimal.
§Dr. Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the 1991 Atomic Energy Authority report on industrial technology concerning the risk of exposure to exploded depleted uranium-tipped shells. [41102]
§Mr. Soames
I refer the hon. Member to the letter sent by my noble Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Defence to the hon. Member for Blaenau Gwent (Mr. Smith) on 7 August 1996, a copy of which has been placed in the Library of the House.
§Dr. Clark
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many depleted uranium-tipped shells were fired by British forces during the Gulf war; and what assessment he has made of the number of exploded shells remaining in Kuwait. [41099]
§Mr. Soames
British forces fired some 88 depleted uranium shells during the Gulf conflict. The Ministry of Defence has made no assessment of the number of exploded shells remaining in Kuwait, as we judge the risk to human health posed by DU rounds to be negligible. It is likely, though, that a large proportion of the 88 shells was expended in Iraq rather than Kuwait.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what studies have been conducted by his Department into the nephrotoxicity of the inhalation of uranium particles. [41296]
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§Mr. Soames
I will write to the hon. Member and a copy of the letter will be placed in the Library of the House.
Uranium Storage
HC Deb 23 January 1995 vol 253 c9W9W
§Mr. Foulkes
To ask the President of the Board of Trade what type of uranium is stored at Chapelcross.
§Mr. Charles Wardle
[holding answer 19 January 1995]: Depleted uranium.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 29 January 2001 vol 362 cc60-1W60W
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what plans he has to request the Defence Radiological Protection Service to update its 1993 report on the exposure by British military personnel to depleted uranium during the Gulf war. [145300]
§Mr. Spellar
My Department’s position on the exposure of British military personnel to depleted uranium during the Gulf conflict was set out on 19 March 1999 in a paper entitled, “Testing for the presence of Depleted 61W Uranium in UK Veterans of the Gulf conflict: the Current Position”. Since then the US Department of Defence has published its own assessment of possible levels of depleted uranium to which troops may have been exposed in the Gulf. These levels are lower than those contained in the Defence Radiological Protection Service reports of 1993, and our 1999 paper. We will analyse the differences.
§Mr. Malins
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many(a) shells and (b) bullets containing (i) uranium and (ii) depleted uranium were fired by the Army on ranges in Surrey in the last 10 years. [147070]
§Mr. Spellar
No munitions containing uranium or depleted uranium have been fired on the ranges in Surrey.
§Mr. Dalyell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what uranium pharmacological tests he proposes should be undertaken on civilians living in areas of depleted uranium debris; [147194]
(2) if he will conduct uranium pharmacological tests on civilians in Kosovo. [147195]
§Mr. Spellar
The health of civilians is the responsibility of their Government or, as in the case of Kosovo, the United Nations. Although the UK will provide help and advice if requested, it is up to these relevant authorities to decide what tests, if any, should be carried out.
§Mr. Dalyell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what evidence he has received on measurements of uranium 235 among Kosovans. [147196]
§Mr. Spellar
None. The Ministry of Defence is not aware of any such measurements being taken.
§Mr. Wigley
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many representations he has received concerning a ban on the use of depleted uranium ammunition by the armed forces. [145937]
§Mr. Spellar
[pursuant to his reply, 23 January 2001, c. 537W]: We have received a petition from the Campaign Against Depleted Uranium.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what recent representations have been received from the campaign against depleted uranium. [145295]
§Mr. Spellar
[pursuant to his reply, 22 January 2001, c. 420W]: We have received a petition from the Campaign Against Depleted Uranium.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 12 February 2001 vol 363 cc56-7W56W
§Mr. Duncan Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) how much depleted uranium is left behind in tank gun barrels after the firing of depleted uranium rounds; [146579]
(2) how much depleted uranium is extracted from the barrel of tanks and evacuated into the atmosphere during the firing of depleted uranium rounds; [146580]
(3) what research his Department has undertaken into the potential risks to tank crews of firing depleted uranium rounds; and if he will publish the research. [146578]
§Mr. Spellar
[holding answer 22 January 2001]: MOD officials are researching the reports addressing the issues raised. I will write to the right hon. Member once the review is complete, and a copy of my letter will be placed in the Library of the House.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 5 February 2001, Official Report, column 358W, if he will publish a list 57W on the reports on depleted uranium commissioned by his Department from DERA; and if he will place copies of these reports in the Library. [149650]
§Mr. Spellar
I will write to my hon. Friend and a copy of my letter will be placed in the Library of the House.
§Sir Richard Body
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 16 June 1999,Official Report, column 148, on Kosovo, what measures have been taken to identify targets hit by depleted uranium ammunition; and whether non-standard issue NBC kit has been issued for troops in proximity to such locations. [90950]
§Mr. George Robertson
Although British Forces did not fire depleted uranium ammunition in Kosovo, we await information through NATO channels as to whether any such ammunition was used in the British led sector.
Service personnel deployed in Kosovo have been given appropriate guidance, and provided with standard NBC equipment, including protective gloves and respiratory equipment, which they should wear if contact with targets damaged by DU ammunition is unavoidable.
§Dr. Lynne Jones
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what investigations he is undertaking into the environmental impact of the use of weapons containing depleted uranium during the conflict in Kosovo and Serbia; [91764]
(2) what decontamination work is taking place in Kosovo as a result of the use by US forces of weapons containing depleted uranium; what responsibility the US is taking for the cost of this work, and if (i) UK and (ii) other EU personnel are involved. [91765]
§Mr. George Robertson
No decontamination work is currently taking place in Kosovo. A joint task force has been set up by the UN Environment Programme and the UN Commission on Settlements to assess the environmental and health aspects of the conflict. The UK stands ready to co-operate with that task force.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 17 January 2000 vol 342 cc278-9W278W
§Mr. Breed
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how much depleted uranium has been authorised for use by his Department in each of the last three years. [104265]
§Mr. Spellar
The UK has not fired DU ammunition during the course of any of the operations it has undertaken over the last three years.
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§Mr. Davidson
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what steps will be taken to ensure that United States Forces using the Ministry of Defence range at Cape Wrath later this year do not use depleted uranium shells. [104877]
§Mr. Spellar
Any nation using the ranges at Cape Wrath must abide by our Standard Operating Regulations. These regulations preclude the use of depleted uranium shells.
Interesting this last one because while “Standard Operating Procedure” (they say) for non DU to be used on Garvie Island and Cape Wrath (which we know is bullshit), they then say “but we didn’t need any approval from the EU to use DU in France”. Fcuk the french then too huh? So WHY is it the Standard Operating Procedure not to use it? Perhaps because they’re scared to admit it because they KNOW what the impact and effects aret’s take them at their word (haha). They know the shit it causes so they don’t use it in the UK but they’ll use it in France.
Check your Frogs Legs Parisians!
You have to admit, the hypocrisy, if nothing else, is absolutely outrageous!
Depleted Uranium Shells
HC Deb 16 July 1993 vol 228 cc707-8W707W
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if, pursuant to his answers to the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond) of 1 July,Official Report, columns 630–31, when he expects to begin the environmental impact assessment at Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright. respectively, to which he refers; if Her Majesty’s Health and Safety Executive produced a report following its 1986 visit to Kirkcudbright; and if Her Majesty’s inspectorate of pollution produced published reports following the visits to Eskmeals in 1989 and 1993 to which he refers.
§Mr. Aitken
My Department is already in the process of commissioning independent consultants to undertake an environmental impact assessment at both Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright. A suitable company will be engaged by late summer or early autumn. The Health and Safety Executive did produce a report following its 1986 visit to Kirkcudbright. Her Majesty’s inspectorate of pollution did not produce published reports following its visits to Eskmeals in 1989 and 1993.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what studies his Department has conducted on the pyrophoric qualities of depleted uranium when distributed into particulate matter on impact in an armour-piercing shell.
§Mr. Aitken
Neither the Ministry of Defence nor the Defence Research Agency has conducted studies or trials specifically addressing this phenomenon. Data available from United States sources indicate that it has no military significance.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 2 July,Official Report, column 639, if Her Majesty’s Government made any submissions to the European Commission, pursuant to article 34 of chapter III of the Euratom treaty, when United Kingdom depleted uranium shells were tested at La Gramat in France in 1990.
§Mr. Aitken
The Euratom treaty does not apply to military activities. There was therefore no requirement to make any submission to the European Commission regarding the testing of depleted uranium shells at Gramat in France.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence when British Nuclear Fuels was awarded the contract to monitor for radioactivity at the Dundrennan test range at Kirkcudbright following the testing of depleted uranium shells; and if the monitoring reports have been published.
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§Mr. Aitken
British Nuclear Fuel’s contract to analyse samples from the Kirkcudbright range commenced on 1 May 1992 and was renewed earlier this year. As I indicated in my reply to the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond) on 1 July 1993,Official Report, column 630, copies of the monitoring reports on the three ranges where DU rounds have been fired will be placed in the House of Commons Library once they have been checked to confirm that no classified information is included.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence where the tests for the armour-piercing capability of depleted uranium shells are conducted.
§Mr. Aitken
All tests in the United Kingdom of the armour-piercing capability of DU shells are carried out in the enclosed butt facility, known locally as “VJ Battery”, at Eskmeals. The tests at Kirkcudbright are to test the range and accuracy of DU rounds and no firings have ever been carried out against armour targets there.
§Mr. Llew Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the answer of 5 July,Official Report, column 51, if he will set out (a) how many depleted uranium shells have been recovered following test firing into the Solway firth and (b) what monitoring has been undertaken of the Solway firth as to radioactive contamination from the shells.
§Mr. Aitken
No DU rounds have been recovered from the Solway firth to date. Environmental monitoring arrangements are set out in the reply of my hon. Friend the Minister of State for the Armed Forces’ to the hon. Member for Pembroke (Mr. Ainger) on 14 June,Official Report, column 474.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 02 February 2001 vol 362 c311W311W
§Mr. Duncan Smith
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence which aircraft in service with the armed forces use depleted uranium for ballast; and if he will make a statement. [148349]
§Mr. Spellar
The following aircraft contain depleted uranium‘Tristar—elevator and rudder balance weights are made from depleted uranium.’‘C130—elevator counterbalance weights are made from depleted uranium.’‘Wessex—a small number of Wessex helicopters in MOD museuMs and training schools are fitted with depleted uranium ballast weights on their main rotor blade tips.’
We are continuing to investigate whether depleted uranium is also present in Gazelle helicopter tail rotor tip weights. I will write to the hon. Member to advise him of the outcome of this work.
Depleted Uranium
HC Deb 07 February 2001 vol 362 cc519-22W519W
§Mr. Swinney
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how United Kingdom forces in the Balkans were warned to stay clear of areas in which depleted uranium ammunition had been expended; what precautions they were required to take if they were obliged to enter these areas; what monitoring of their physical welfare took place thereafter; and on what date such precautionary warnings and measures were first announced. [145136]
§Mr. Spellar:
[holding answer 15 January 2001]: Specialist explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) troops should be aware of the risks presented by expended DU ammunition through routine training and instructions. EOD troops are most at risk from expended DU ammunition when clearing Armoured Fighting Vehicles. In these circumstances, they are required to wear inner cotton gloves, outer heavy PVC gloves, a Service respirator, a full NBC suit and a Thermoluminescent Dosimeter until the presence of DU can be positively discounted.
[Ah but no issues with the use of DU! That's all just for safety you know even though DU is not in the least bit dangerous! Honest 'Guv]
Gulf War Syndrome
HC Deb 19 July 1994 vol 247 cc160-2160
§2.Mr. Ronnie Campbell
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will set up an independent inquiry into Gulf war syndrome.
§The Minister of State for the Armed Forces (Mr. Jeremy Hanley)
I have no intention of doing so, as there 161 remains no clinical evidence that those who served in the British armed forces in the Gulf conflict are suffering from unexplained symptoms that would call for such an inquiry.
§Mr. Campbell
If the Americans have discovered that there is such a disease and are paying compensation to their armed forces, should not we be paying ours and taking a serious look at the problems facing them? Or is it the case that when there is a war, we wave the union flag and tell our lads how good they are before they go abroad to fight and call them heroes, but turn our back on them when they need our help? It is always the same with this Government and they have been 50-faced on this issue—let us pay our lads now.
§Mr. Hanley
Two points need to be made in answer to that question. First, in July last year I invited anyone who believed that he was suffering from the syndrome to which the hon. Gentleman referred to come forward. In the whole of last year, 52 people came forward, of whom 27 have now seen medical examiners—their general practitioners —and 17 have been found to be suffering from recognised health conditions, none of them peculiar to their service in the Gulf. Solicitors have also put forward the names of some 300 further people, but we have not been given details about them and they have not submitted themselves to medical examination. We are, therefore, trying to do all that we can to ascertain whether their illnesses have been caused by anything that happened in the Gulf, but, at the moment, the evidence is to the contrary.
Secondly, on the American evidence, I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman is taking the words of Back Benchers —be they Senators or Congressmen—and making them into a claim by the Pentagon. There is absolutely no evidence from the United States that there is a “syndrome”, and there is certainly no scientific or medical evidence of chemical or biological warfare being deployed against us, on any level.
§Mr. Fabricant
Is not it the case that the shells that have been accused of causing the syndrome are made of depleted heavy metals with a lower atomic number than the normal isotope? Would not anyone with an A-level or even an O-level in physics know that there is less radioactivity in such shells than in the luminous dial of an average watch? [Who the FCUK is this asshole?]
§Mr. Hanley
My hon. Friend is absolutely right to say that one of the possible causes of any so-called Gulf war syndrome was depleted uranium shells and that the toxicity of depleted uranium is similar to that of lead.
§Rev. Martin Smyth
Does the Minister agree that there may be a case for an investigation, not necessarily into what happened to British troops in the Gulf but into pre-medication against possible poison gas attacks? Is not there something that we could learn for the future?
§Mr. Hanley
The hon. Gentleman is right to say that yet another suspected cause of a possible syndrome were the injections given to our troops before they left. It has all been investigated carefully, and the Surgeon General recently wrote to the British Medical Journal to say that there was absolutely no evidence of any cause from the source to which the hon. Gentleman referred.
Depleted Uranium: Munitions and Materials
HL Deb 12 February 1998 vol 585 cc217-8WA217WA
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
Whether they are conducting, or intend to conduct, any research into the short and long term effects upon humans, animals and the environment of the use of depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials; and, if not, why not. [HL388]
§Lord Gilbert
The UK Government are not conducting any experimental work specifically on the short or long term effects of depleted uranium on humans, animals or the environment. However, in order to inform the MoD’s research strategy on the management of wounds in the military environment, a review is being conducted of current developments and future trends in munitions that may have clinical implications for the treatment of injured servicemen and women. This review will take into account the radiological and toxicological health hazards posed by the use of depleted uranium ammunition by opposing military forces, which are well understood. In addition, studies have been carried out by the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency into the rate of corrosion of depleted uranium in the marine environment.
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What is their current scientific advice as to the environmental effects of using depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials within the military test ranges located in the United Kingdom, in both the short and the long term; and [HL386]
What information they have given to communities living in close proximity to military test ranges as to the environmental and public health hazards, now and in the future, of depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials used on ranges located in the United Kingdom. [HL387]
§Lord Gilbert
During September 1993, local councillors and members of the press were invited onto the ranges at Kirkcudbright and Eskmeals, and were given presentations on environmental monitoring and the possible health hazards associated with depleted uranium firings.
A detailed review of the environmental impact of depleted uranium firings on these ranges was undertaken by an independent environmental consultant, W. S. Atkins, in 1995. The consultant concluded that the radiation doses to members of the public, and the associated risks from exposure to depleted uranium released into the environment, were extremely low. Environmental monitoring completed by the MoD since the Atkins’ report was published has confirmed this view. Copies of W. S. Atkins’ environmental impact assessment were supplied to local councils and have also been placed in the House of Commons Library.
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Depleted uranium environmental monitoring reports are written annually for both the Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright ranges. The 1996 reports are due to be released to the local councils for each range in the early part of 1998. It is intended that all future environmental monitoring reports will be made public.
The environmental sampling programmes have shown very low concentrations of depleted uranium in the environment at both sites. The levels of depleted uranium found have been generally lower than the levels of uranium that occur naturally in the environment, and samples taken on request from homes of members of the public show total concentrations of uranium at natural levels. No depleted uranium contamination has been measured in marine environmental samples. The MoD will continue to respond to public concerns, and will provide such environmental monitoring data as may be required.
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What has been the cost to date of research and development of depleted uranium munitions and other depleted uranium materials in the United Kingdom, including any products, services or raw materials purchased for civil or military use; and [HL390]
What research and development has been undertaken to date in relation to depleted uranium technology in the United Kingdom; whether this research and development has been conducted unilaterally or jointly with other nations or private organisations; and in which United Kingdom locations. [HL389]
§Lord Gilbert
Research and development work has been carried out by the Ministry of Defence on two tank munitions programmes which use depleted uranium. CHARM 1 and CHARM 3. These anti-tank rounds were developed unilaterally under commercial contracts placed by MoD. The UK locations where this work took place are: Royal Ordnance facilities at Birtley and Featherstone; Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) Aldermaston; the former AWE Cardiff; and MoD ranges at Eskmeals and Kirkcudbright.
The total cost of these programmes is in the region of £200 million. I am withholding information on other MoD research programmes involving depleted uranium under Exemption 1, (Defence, Security and International Relations) of the Code of Practice on access to Government Information. We are not aware of any other research programmes which involve depleted uranium.
Gulf Veterans: Medical Assessment Programme
HL Deb 08 December 1999 vol 607 cc1274-61274
§ 2.48 p.m.
§The Countess of Mar
asked Her Majesty’s Government:
What is the scope of medical examination and follow-up undertaken for members of HM Armed Forces who were at any time located in or passed through areas contaminated by depleted uranium during and after Operation Granby.
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, the Ministry of Defence’s Medical Assessment Programme is the referral centre for Gulf veterans concerned about their health. Patients attending the Medical Assessment Programme are given a full medical interview and examination and a range of laboratory tests, including urinalysis, haematological, biochemical and serological tests, an ultrasound scan of the abdomen and electrocardiography.
The Medical Assessment Programme may recommend also additional investigations or a referral to another consultant; for example, a patient may be tested for the presence of uranium if there was evidence of possible exposure or if the examining physician felt that there were symptoms to suggest uranium-linked illness. In addition, the Ministry of Defence has offered to arrange independent testing for depleted uranium for those veterans who have had samples tested in Canada.
§The Countess of Mar
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Is he aware that there is a widely held belief among the several thousand Gulf veterans who have been involved in passing through areas where depleted uranium was used during the Gulf war that neither the Minister nor the Medical Assessment Programme understands the problem? Is he also aware that there is a widely held belief that by looking only at the 30 people who have had their urine tested in Canada, the MoD is determined either to discredit the Canadian research or to minimise the problem? Is he aware too that the Gulf veterans now believe that the refusal of the Medical Assessment Programme and the MoD to extend this proposal to all the Gulf veterans who were involved is based only on crass ignorance, gross incompetence or calculated deception?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, I believe that the key issue in this matter is the total load of uranium in the body. The proportion of uranium present as a result of contact with depleted uranium is not relevant to the health aspect. Any patient who attends the MAP may be tested for uranium if there is evidence of possible exposure and if the MAP doctor assesses that that is clinically appropriate.
The noble Countess referred to Canadian testing. The MoD’s line on that was viewed as in some way discrediting the evidence. I hope that that is not the case. We need to see the results of testing by 1275 Dr Durakovic and Dr Sharma before we can reach any conclusion. They have not shown us their results, which is why we are arranging for all those who have been tested to be retested independently of the MoD. Only then shall we know the results and be able to act accordingly. There is no scientific consensus on the issue; for example, Dr Sharma has told us that he does not believe that depleted uranium is responsible for the ill health of Gulf veterans.
§Lord Rea
My Lords, is my noble friend aware—I am sure that he is—that there are persistent anecdotal reports of high or raised levels of cancer, particularly leukaemia, among the women and children of southern Iraq? Will Her Majesty’s Government use their influence to have a proper, expert epidemiological study carried out in southern Iraq by, for example, the World Health Organisation or UNICEF to ascertain what is the truth; and, if there is found to be an increase, whether possibly depleted uranium is responsible?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, the Ministry of Defence is of course aware of the suggestions, particularly those in the press, that the use of depleted uranium-based ammunition during the Gulf conflict has caused an increase in ill health in southern Iraq, including deformities, careers and birth defects. However, we have not seen any peer-reviewed epidemiological research data on that population to support those claims. The Government will, of course, consider carefully any medical or scientific data which may emerge concerning the incidence of ill health in Iraq. With regard to the suggestion of my noble friend, I believe that the MoD will welcome any assessment in this respect for its consideration.
§Lord Swinfen
My Lords, can the Minister tell the House whether there is any increase in birth defects in children born to servicemen who have been in the area of the depleted uranium, as compared with the number of birth defects in the rest of the population?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, I d o not have that information. I shall ascertain whether it is available; if it is, I shall be happy to write to the noble Lord.
§Lord Hughes of Woodside
My Lords, can my noble friend say how many patients have been seen at the MoD assessment centre? Can he give a robust assurance to the House that the matter is being looked at openly and properly and that there is no attempt by the MoD to discredit other people’s opinions or, indeed, to skew the research against the proper interests of those people affected in this matter?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, the number of patients who have passed through the Medical Assessment Programme (to which I referred before as MAP) is 2,906. That was to the end of November 1999. Currently there are 28 patients waiting to attend the programme. A test load is being carried out and, although that may seem a high number, one must take 1276 into account that some 53,000 troops were deployed in the area at that time. I make it quite clear to my noble friend and to the House today that the MoD is sympathetic to Gulf veterans; it will continue with the tests; it will continue to help wherever it possibly can; and it is completely open-minded on the issue. The big problem it faces at the moment is that the evidence available to it is vague and not sufficiently scientifically based for further action to be taken in this area.
§The Earl of Listowel
My Lords, will the Minister say whether any problems are caused by the inhalation of dust from depleted uranium shells?
§Lord Burlison
My Lords, I believe that any problems caused by the inhalation of dust may come from the area indicated by the noble Earl.
I’d say “Get the drift?” but then I’d seriously hope you wouldn’t because if that pyrophonic drift happens to drift your way then you’re fcuked! The problem is that it does!
One last thing: You may have noted John Spellar’s contributions in constantly trying to justify or evade the issue of DU in these exchanges. just look a little closer at Spellar:
Spellar was Comptroller of the Household and the third most senior whip in the Whips’ Office between October 2008 and May 2010.
So you know what HIS role is then!
And he’s one of the Queen’s “boys”: When Tony Blair formed his government in 1997, Spellar was appointed Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the Ministry of Defence, being promoted to become Minister of State for the Armed Forces in 1999. He was appointed to the Privy Council in 2001.
And, of course, the Labour Friends of ISRAEL:
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Please also note, as an aside, that Spellar has made almost £1M from expenses alone since 2001. Who needs a salary when you’re getting paid expenses like that?
Lastly. from his Parliamentary biography, note his “Political Interests”:
Political interests
Energy, electronics industry, motor industry, construction industry, defence
Just have a little delvnd he’s invested in most of this I’m sure. Then he lobbies for his interests. It’s a nice job! Get an MP’s salary, an MP’s expenses AND lobby (and create) which makes sure YOU profit.
Great life: A FUCKING CRIMINAL ONE but it’s legalized!
Britain’s Labor Party has been trying to rebrand itself lately after a 13-year spell in government. During an annual conference, the most memorable remark by its leader Ed Miliband was “I am not Tony Blair.”
This commitment to change does not appear to have affected Labor’s stance on the Middle East. John Spellar, a shadow Foreign Office minister, has an especially close relationship with London’s pro-Israel lobby.
An inspection of Spellar’s declaration of interests shows that he travelled to the Herzliya security conference, one of the key events on the Israeli political calendar, in February. His airfare and accommodation (estimated total: £1,970 or $3,170) was paid for by David Menton, a director of the Britain Israel Research Center (BICOM). In its own words, that lobby outfit is “dedicated to creating a more supportive environment for Israel in Britain.”
Thanks to a source who shall remain nameless, I also learned that Spellar’s researcher Linda Smith is a partner of BICOM staff member Luke Akehurst (a former spindoctor for the arms industry). Smith and Akehurst both serve as Labor members of Hackney Council, a local authority in London.
I emailed Smith earlier today, asking if her views on the Middle East differ from those of Akehurst but did not receive a reply. Spellar has also not responded to a request for comment.
Lobby at center of resignation scandal
This information about Spellar’s connection to BICOM appears all the more significant given the organization’s role in a controversy leading to the recent resignation of Liam Fox as Britain’s defense secretary. Fox, who belongs to the Conservative Party, was severely embarrassed over revelations that his close friend Adam Werritty was posing as his official adviser during foreign travels, when Werritty had been given no such job by the British government. The Guardian newspaper revealed that Werritty’s jet-set lifestyle was being bankrolled by three prosperous Zionists. They included Poju Zabludowicz, BICOM’s chairman. When Werritty attended the 2009 Herzilya conference, his expenses were covered by BICOM.
David Menton, the man who picked up the tab for Spellar’s trip to Israel earlier this year, is a business associate of Zabludowicz, a billionaire who owns a sizeable chunk of Las Vegas. Menton is a founder of Synova Capital, a private equity fund. According to Synova’s website, the fund’s “cornerstone investor” is the Tamares Group, which is led by Zabludowicz.
I was intrigued to read an article by Spellar, in which he bragged of Labor’s affinity with the poor. It is difficult to square that posture with his willingness to go on junkets funded by a wealthy supporter of Israel, a state that denies an entire people their most elementary rights.
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The Oil Kings, Golda Meir, a Phantom Jet and a nuke!
This is just a short post more for the purposes of reminding myself about this book.
I was in Waterstones yesterday glancing though a few books – one called “The Oil Kings” basically all about the connections between the US/UK and the oil nations in the ME while taking you through the story of the 1970s oil crisis, Kissinger, Nixon, Ford etc. Looked a bloody interesting book. While I was sitting reading a few pages and looking up a few names in it (yes Rockefeller was in there and when you recognise what this bastard is, you see how he manipulates things even though the book doesn’t develop that side of the story – do they ever?) it discussed the 1973 Arab/Israeli war (and a lot of what is in the book is taken from previously unreleased Whitehouse transcripts). It states that Israel was within a hair’s breath of losing that war until the US covertly stepped in with further supplies for them. BUT, the thing is, Golda Meir had actually put a nuke on a Phantom Jet and was ready to drop it because Israel had run out of conventional weaponry and tactics. Meanwhile, Kissinger, while supporting Israel to the hilt, was pissed off with them big style because he considered them incompetent tactically.
"SHE WAS A LOVELY OLD DEAR. USED TO MAKE US TEA AND NUKIES!"
(Prof Creveld) “Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under.”
Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Creveld said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons.
“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force.“
This is THEIR words and THEIR actions, not mine! You CANNOT describe someone as “anti semite” because they point out the words of mentally instable people! It’s like having a murderer state he did it and would do it again but when you go to call him a psycopath, you are attacked for being “anti semite” when people recognise the murderer’s name is COHEN!
“Oh you’re just calling him a psycho because he’s jewish!” Give me a break!
While there was a hell of a lot more in the book and what gave me immense pleasure, in a “recognising hypocrisy of the nth degree” sort of way was when I read details regarding how Europe and the US were perfectly content with Iran developing Nuclear technology while under the Shah. You must remember that the author of this book is not writing it from the perspective of today and what so many people now recognise as the New World Order. He is simply writing in the fashion of historical facts relating to that time and using previously unreleased material to boot. The passages refering to the Shah’s nuclear development were treated in a nonchalant manner because the facts were that, under the Shah, as a western puppet installed after the downfall of Mossadegh (an unfortunate name for an Iranian leader I always thought) due to the CIA instigated coup in 1953, “we” (our lovely hypocritical bastards in our western governments) had absolutely no issue, at first, with Iran developing nuclear technology which was AGAIN at that time, suggested by the Shah as being primarily for civilian power purposes.
But then the Shah had been battling for a long time with cancer – unknown to the Americans and others – while Kissinger started to wonder if he was really “the hard man” Kissinger had hoped he would be.
President Gerald R. Ford and the Shah of Iran confer over a map during the Shah's May 1975 visit to Washington, D.C. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger sits in the background. (Photo courtesy of Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library)
U.S.-Iran Nuclear Negotiations in 1970s Featured Shah’s Nationalism and U.S. Weapons Worries Newly Declassified Documents Reveal Remarkable Continuity with Today’s U.S.-Iran Nuclear Controversy
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 268
Edited by William Burr Posted – January 13, 2009
For more information contact: William Burr – 202/994-7032
Washington, D.C., January 13, 2009 – During the 1970s the Shah of Iran argued, like current Iranian leaders today, for a nuclear energy capability on the basis of national “rights,” while the Ford and Carter administrations worried about nuclear weapons possibilities, according to newly declassified documents published today by the National Security Archive for the first time. Uranium enrichment capability is now the major point of controversy between Tehran and the world community, while during the 1970s Washington’s greatest concern was that Iran sought a capability to produce plutonium, but in both instances the implication was that a nuclear weapons option might not be far away.
The documents, obtained by the Archive through a mandatory review request, show that two U.S. presidents dealing with the Shah of Iran, Ford and Carter, put concerns over proliferation and the Shah’s possible desire to build a nuclear bomb front and center when they approved negotiating positions for a deal to sell nuclear reactors to Iran. While Iranian officials argued then, as they do today, that Iran had “rights” under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to develop nuclear technology, the U.S. government successfully sought an agreement that put nonproliferation controls over U.S.-supplied nuclear material.
The 1979 Iranian Revolution derailed the agreement, but the approach that the Ford and Carter administrations took shows significant continuity with contemporary U.S. and world policy, which holds that Iran must not use its technological capabilities to produce nuclear weapons. The documents contradict the 2005 claim by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger that non-proliferation was not an issue in the 1970s negotiations; this was a “commercial transaction,” Kissinger told The Washington Post.
From what I read yesterday (again taken from Whitehouse transcripts), while there may have latterly been concern re nuclear proliferation due to the Shah’s ailing health and a consideration that some leadership may then arise which is not “American friendly”; While Kissinger, Ford etc considered Iran stable under the Shah, they were perfectly happy with supplying nuclear technology. I’d disagree with the above, therefore and agree that Kissinger saying it was a “commercial transaction” was, in fact, the way it was because it also surrounded the Shah’s escalating oil prices.
The strange thing is this however: It seems clear as day that these “superb minds” like Kissinger et al, will actually make decisions (i.e. nuke or no nuke) on the basis of the terms America have with an existing regime. Now considering regimes are always changing (a man only lives a certain length of time), this means that they then need to deal with their previous decisions at a later date and it is a constant battle between their long term goals and the short term goals they strive for which scupper their long term goals. If you see what I mean? They trip over themselves. What they do in the 1970s comes back to haunt them in the 90s etc. It’s that mentality of sweeping the mess under the carpet hoping it goes away while the mound just grows and grows. The height of sheer stupidity. But ALL down to short term greed. They think of no-one but themselves while they build a world which will impact their own offspring. Their offspring may well find themselves in a world where they are hunted down for the crimes of their fathers because people will wish to eradicate these psycopathic family bloodlines (like the Bush’s).
Lastly, there was mention of Standard Oil and how, at the time when America and UK were doing so much business with Iran for oil, Esso (Standard Oil) only had a 7% stake in the consortium. Just by coincidence then, you understand, the Americans and the west dropped Iran as a prime source and developed Saudi Arabian oil as the primary source. Within THAT consortium, Esso ended up with a 40% stake.
WHO IS MICHAEL SCHEUER?
Hot on the heels of my last blogpost “Israel: The contrarian agenda” comes this. Michael Scheuer – the ex CIA man who is throwing his word around the world on media and at International book festivals as if he is some “guru” of the Intelligence world – which, being ex CIA, I guess he has the right to think so.
However, I have some issues with this rather “mild mannered”, bearded, anti Israel, ex head of Bin Laden section of the CIA.
1. Scheuer became a public figure after being outed as the anonymous author of the 2004 book Imperial Hubris, in which he criticized many of the United States’ assumptions about Islamist insurgencies and particularly Osama bin Laden. He depicts bin Laden as a rational actor who is fighting to weaken the United States by weakening its economy, rather than merely combating and killing Americans. He challenges the common assumption that terrorism is the threat that the United States is facing in the modern era, arguing rather that Islamist insurgency (and not “terrorism”) is the core of the conflict between the U.S. and Islamist forces, who in places such as Kashmir, Xinjiang, and Chechnya are “struggling not just for independence but against institutionalized barbarism.” Osama bin Laden acknowledged the book in a 2007 statement, suggesting that it revealed “the reasons for your losing the war against us”. According to bin Laden, “If you want to understand what’s going on and if you would like to get to know some of the reasons for your losing the war against us, then read the book of Michael Scheuer in this regard.” Perhaps because Michael Scheuer and the CIA wrote Bin Laden’s biographical and ideological details?
So the very man himself, Bin Laden, praises Scheuer’s work while Scheuer served as the Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka “Alec Station”), from 1996 to 1999, the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorist Center. He then worked again as Special Advisor to the Chief of the bin Laden unit from September 2001 to November 2004. Scheuer then, seems to know Bin Laden inside-out OR just COULD it be that the Bin Laden fable was written by Michael Scheuer and his CIA cronies? Remember that George H. W. Bush has been a major figure in the CIA from the 1960s to the present day and that the CIA is the intelligence arm of “Rockefeller Inc”.
[Rockefeller also reportedly has connections to Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). As well as knowing Allen Dulles and his brother John Foster Dulles — who was an in-law of the family since his college years, it was in Rockefeller Center that Allen Dulles had set up his WWII operational center after Pearl Harbor, liaising closely with MI6 which also had their principal U.S. operation in the Center. He also knew and associated with the former CIA director Richard Helms, as well as Archibald Roosevelt, Jr., a Chase Bank employee and former CIA agent, whose cousin was the CIA agent, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., involved in the Iran coup of 1953. Also, in 1953, he had befriended William Bundy, a pivotal CIA analyst for nine years in the 1950s, who became the Agency liaison to the National Security Council, and a subsequent lifelong friend. Moreover, in Cary Reich's biography of his brother Nelson, a former CIA agent states that David was extensively briefed on covert intelligence operations by himself and other Agency division chiefs, under the direction of David's "friend and confidant", CIA Director Allen Dulles.]
Michael Scheuer: The man who helped create "Bin Laden"
2. Michael Scheuer is a jesuit
Scheuer was born in Buffalo and graduated from Canisius College in 1974, and went on to earn an M.A. from Niagara University in 1976 and another M.A. from Carleton University in 1982. He also received a Ph.D. in British Empire-U.S.-Canada-U.K. relations from the University of Manitoba in 1986.
Canisius College is a private Roman Catholic college in Buffalo, New York, United States. The college was founded in 1870 by members of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) from Germany and is named after St. Peter Canisius. The college is one of 28 institutions in the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities. It is distinct from Canisius-Kolleg, an elite Berlin high school also run by the Jesuits.
Niagara University is a Catholic university in the Vincentian tradition, located in the Town of Lewiston in Niagara County, New York. Originally founded by the Congregation of the Mission in 1856 as Our Lady of Angels Seminary, it became Niagara University in 1883. The University is still run by the Vincentian Fathers. All of Niagara’s 25 presidents, including its current president, Father Joseph L. Levesque, C.M., have been Vincentian priests.
Carleton University In 1967, the Catholic school Saint Patrick’s College was incorporated into Carleton. Founded in 1942, it had been granting its diplomas via the University of Ottawa. Both University of Ottawa and Saint Patrick’s had been inaugurated by the Catholic order Oblates of Immaculate Mary (OMI).
University of Manitoba Also linked to catholic ideology within its colleges. As of 2010, there have been 96 Rhodes Scholars from the University of Manitoba, more than from any other university in Western Canada.
Known as the “world’s oldest and most prestigious international graduate scholarship”, the Rhodes Scholarships are administered and awarded by the Rhodes Trust, which was established in 1902 under the terms and conditions of the will of Cecil John Rhodes, and funded by his estate under the administration of Nathan Rothschild. Scholarships have been awarded to applicants annually since 1902 on the basis of academic achievement and strength of character.
He also makes radio and television appearances and teaches a graduate-level course on Al-Qaeda at Georgetown University. Georgetown is the “belly of the beast” jesuit university in Washington D.C.
He also participates in conferences on terrorism and national security issues, such as the New America Foundation’s December 2004 conference, “Al Qaeda 2.0: Transnational Terrorism After 9/11.”
I wonder who funds the New America Foundation? Well, would you believe it, there’s that same name at the top of list which is top of the list of so many other questionable organisations. The Rocks get everywhere don’t they?
$1,000,000+ The Ford Foundation, The New York Community Trust, The Rockefeller Foundation
Now, the CIA was born out of the OSS and the connections with jesuitism are strong while one must then consider the following:
“It can easily be seen that the identity of Jesuit political thought with the objectives of Nazi-Fascism makes it imperative to conceal it from the American public. Were it otherwise, the Catholic Church would suffer complete loss of its prestige in the United States — in the eyes of Catholics and non-Catholics alike.” {8} Leo H. Lehmann, 1942 Irish Ex-Priest Behind the Dictators
The Fourteenth Amendment so altered the Constitution to the point that it created “the new republican constitution” spoken of in The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The Jesuit Order, behind the new constitution, created the American Empire. In 1868, on the ruins of George Washington’s Calvinistic Republic, the Jesuits’ new “Holy Roman Empire of the West” was set up with its massive central government in Washington. Its national purpose would be to restore the Temporal Power of the Jesuits’ “infallible” Pope over every nation.
To do this the Empire was made the financial and military colossus of the world using J. P. Morgan, their Federal Reserve Bank and the Great Depression. In subduing the nations, credit created out of nothing would be used to build tremendous war machines for the “extirpation of heretics and liberals.” This same Jesuit credit, called “foreign aid,” would be used to establish and finance the reign of dictators loyal to Rome over every nation, including the Zionist and Talmudic government of Israel.
The economic policy of the Empire would be the destruction of small, independent, free enterprise businessmen and the consolidation of capital into the hands of Rome’s corporate monopolies (corporate fascism), while the people would be submitted to the ten pillars of The Communist Manifesto in exchange for The Ten Commandments. A central bank, from which comes all credit, along with a fiat, bogus currency, would replace state banks having distributed federally minted gold and silver coins. A heavy and progressive income tax would invade the privacy of the people while replacing the apportioned tax.
The wicked Social Security numbering system would keep track of all “taxpayers.” In fact, it would be the Vatican’s world government number by which the Society of Jesus, through its FBI and CIA, would track every citizen of the Empire. These two pillars alone would be enough to destroy the prosperous White Celtic-Anglo-Saxon Protestant Middle Class, while creating the feudal system of the Dark Ages composed only of the noble super-rich Catholic Whites and the common super-poor of all races and religions.
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion say it clearly in Protocol number twenty:
“The concentration of industry in the hands of [cartel] capitalists out of the hands of small masters has drained away all the juices of the peoples and with them also the states . . .” {9}
Dear truth-seeker, do you see how the radical mass emancipation of the Negro slaves after the War Between the States was never intended to benefit them but rather was calculated to destroy the private wealth of small White “heretic” masters in the South? Historically speaking, Blacks generally only produce wealth when trained and/or overseen by Whites. Do you see how the Fourteenth Amendment enslaved both Whites and Blacks to the new master in Washington — the Society of Jesus? Is not the Archbishop of New York the real “massa” of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Albert Gore and Jesse Jackson (who is apparently to be replaced with another mulatto Black agitator, Al Sharpton), they being nothing more than his “altar boys”?
With the economic system of Communism in place, the political system of the Empire would be an absolutist military dictatorship of the president as “Commander-in-Chief,” for the purpose of “national security.” Protocol number ten spoke of this:
“We shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal in case of need for the defense of the new republican constitution . . .” {10}
That is fascism, pure and simple. The absolute Commander-in-Chief is one with the Jesuits’ corporate monopolies run by the Knights of Malta. Remembering the words of the Jesuits as quoted by Pierre van Paassen,
“Fascism is the regime that corresponds most closely to the concepts of the Church of Rome.” {11}
It was fascism that terribly persecuted the Protestants of Franco’s Spain and Mussolini’s Italy. Additionally, it was fascism that deported Jews to Hitler’s death camps in Poland. In fact both Hitler and Stalin, the Grand Inquisitors, were Roman Catholic fascists. Nazism and Communism were simply smokescreens describing socialist economic systems. Both dictators were loyal to Rome’s Jesuits who put them in power, as they both murdered millions of Protestants, Orthodox and Jewish “heretics and liberals,” including many “liberal” Catholic priests and people.
Dear truth-seeker, this is the coming scenario for the Protestants and Jews of the American Empire. The President, since the Emergency War Powers Act of 1950, has been a fascist military dictator loyal to his Jesuit masters at Georgetown University. And with the passage of King George Bush II’s new Terrorist Act, fascism will further increase. The Jesuits will continue to advance their international “Negro/Muslim Agitation” (directed against historically White Protestant nations) and incite international anti-Semitism, or more correctly, anti-Jewish fury.
Much was ignited in the American Empire with the Israeli attack on the American spy ship “USS Liberty,” along with the conviction of the Israeli spy, Jonathan Pollard. The Jesuits’ International Intelligence Community including the Mossad created both incidents. Anti-Jewish fury among both Whites and Blacks must be used to drive American Jews back to Israel for the purpose of attempting to kill them all there!
The means by which the Sons of Loyola will accomplish this is their National Security Agency — the NSA. We read:
“Its nickname is the ‘Jew Room’. Inside the National Security Agency is an intelligence center from which all American Jews are banned, regardless of their proven loyalty or devotion to country, just as the U.S. Navy bannedJews from electronic surveillance ships, such as the USS Liberty . . . it is, and has been, the heart of the secret war against the Jews.” {12}
Remembering the words of Loyola in his Secret Instructions of the Jesuits, “ . . . our members will work themselves into the favor of persons in the highest part of government and consequently be admitted into their most secret councils,” {13} is it not obvious the Jesuit Order rules “The Jew Room”?
For in the words of ex-Jesuit E. Boyd Barrett:
“In the Order hatred of the Jews is traditional . . . it is forbidden to admit any one of Jewish descent into the Order [from 1593 to the repeal of the statute in 1946, thereby escaping Holocaust war guilt]. Japanese, Chinese, Indians and Negroes may be admitted into the Society of Jesus, but never, under any circumstances, a Jew [except Albert and Auguste Valenstein, who were permitted to enter the Order in the early 1900s for the purpose of working with the Jesuit General’s early Masonic Jewish Zionists including Theodor Herzl and later, Jerzy Kluger, boyhood friend of Pope John Paul II]!” {14}
For Ignatius set the example:
“He [Loyola, the heartless beast] also obtained great honour from all classes for his zeal for the conversion of the Jews. His method was not original. He obtained a decree from the Pope Paul III, then reigning, that the Jews should not be allowed the services of a physician, no matter how serious might be their danger, unless they first accepted the ministrations of a priest . . . ” {15}
The Jesuits will also continue to foster international anti-Americanism depicting the Empire as “the Great Satan” to the Arab world and the “NATO Nazi mass bombing bully” to the rest of the world. The NATO crusades in Iraq and Yugoslavia have increased the nations’ hatred for us Americans, they not knowing that the Jesuit-CFR-controlled American government is also the enemy of the American people. Meanwhile, the Jesuits have furthered their quest to reduce the world to the universal rule of their “infallible” Papal Caesar in Jerusalem.
Michael Scheuer is playing along with the globalist faction (tied to the jesuit/papal “army”) to bring about a change of American and western “goodwill” toward Israel and create the image of the dangerous “Mad dog” (which Israel do quite well themselves anyhow) in order to then justify bringing down the Israeli regime. The Bin Laden unit, in my opinion, was set up to write the entire fable of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and Michael Scheuer played exactly that role. Bin Laden, a construct of the CIA as is Al Qaeda. Scheuer and friends creating the “biography” and the higher “Papal Knights” along with their little attack dogs Israel and Mossad etc setting up the conditions for 9/11 just as PNAC and Brzezinski suggested was required to ensure the American public would acquiesce and give up their liberty and freedom at home while supporting the “American Imperialism” (Globalist Imperialism using American blood) overseas.
All clear as day.
ISRAEL IS DOOMED AND THE JESUITS ARE BEHIND IT. Michael is just playing his part to make scheuer!
As a countryman of mine pointed out at the Edinburgh book festival Michael: You’re full of shit! 9 parts truth and 1 part Jesuit agenda.
Israel: The Contrarian Agenda
The following totally scrambles the existing thinking in both mainstream AND alternative media as I see it. I have not read or seen anything which suggests what you are about to read. Therefore, I take all responsibility – right or wrong – for the following analysis.
Lord Jacob "Israel" Rothschild
The Globalist agenda is a very immense one and while I have attacked and criticised Zionism (ad nauseum) over a period of time, I’ll also be the first to state that it is Israel which the globalists now wish to destroy in one way or another. While most of you will consider Zionism = Globalism in many ways, it is and it is not.
Zionism is a tool of the globalists. Nothing more, nothing less. Zionism is a political ideology and movement which is built upon a false association with judaism. It purports to be the ultimate wish and ideology of there being a jewish homeland and that that is its aim. It is NOT its aim.
So Zionism is a tool just as capitalism, fabianism, Nazism, comunism and fascism are tools. As you well know, each of these “isms” are constructed and then, at the right time, destroyed by the globalists. The globalist money builds them and the same money destroys them.
Now remember: Israel and Zionism are Rothschild constructs – entirely. Rothschild is head zionist and head globalist. What comes first for the Rothschilds?
Answer: The Rothschilds!
The Rothschilds bought the Suez canal for the British government in the 1800s (or you could put it this way: The British government bought the Suez canal and was loaned the money for it BY the Rothschilds). In effect and as is historical fact, the Rothschilds then controlled both the Suez AND the British government. Very little has changed since.
Benjamin D’Israeli was British PM at the time and when he died, who then was trustee of D’Israeli’s will and testament? Answer: Lord Rothschild. But that’s by the by.
During the 1800s and early 1900s, the globalists (headed by Rothschild) did not have an adequate grasp on the middle east and its riches, its resources, land etc. However, by 1948, the Rothschilds had finally achieved the promise of a “land for the jews” called Israel which the British government, via the Balfour Declaration (which the government had never intended, it would seem, to be a remit to create a jewish only state but simply to be a concession to Rothschild that his “beloved jews” (not at all actually the true interest of the Rothschilds but a very useful tool nevertheless) would SHARE the state (a British mandate) with the Palestinian people. Well, times move on as do the machinations of the globalists like Rothschild so that we now have this “Mad dog” state (their own words by Moshe Dyan) called Israel.
Why did Rothschild and the globalists (helped by a Zionist organisation, some of whom may well have believed that Rothschild’s plan was to have a safe haven for jews) want an “Israel” in the Middle East? Because they then had a “beach-head” from which to attack the region they had otherwise failed to bring under their control.
So, the establishment of Israel (by way of terrorist acts against the very government who handed them their “safe haven” in the desert) provided a means to an end and a first step for the domination of the region. How was such domination achieved?
Easily.
This “race” which we shall refer to as “jews” but who never originated from this land and neither was this land ever called “Israel” but was, in part, Canaan, at the time of Jesus and before – the Israelites were simply one of many tribes in the region and Israel himself (the Tribe OF Israel) was a man called Jacob (so the story goes) – have been persecuted over centuries by so many different races, creeds, cultures and nationalities (the question is why? Let’s be blunt, if you are sacked from a great number of jobs, the likelihood is that the problem lies with you right? think about it) that, to have the “race” in the centre of the Middle East (entirely Muslim) is like throwing a single christian into a den of Lions. Perhaps a poor analogy however, because one would always support the christian since he is both the underdog and it suggests the muslim world of Arabs are like a pack of animals – but then that is precisely what Rothschild would capitalise on. That ideology.
The name Israel has historically been used, in common and religious usage, to refer to the biblical Kingdom of Israel or the entire Jewish nation.[30] According to the Hebrew Bible the name “Israel” was given to the patriarch Jacob (Standard Yisraʾel, Isrāʾīl; Septuagint Greek: Ἰσραήλ; “struggle with God”[31]) after he successfully wrestled with an angel of God.[32] Jacob’s twelve sons became the ancestors of the Israelites, also known as the Twelve Tribes of Israel or Children of Israel. Jacob and his sons had lived in Canaan but were forced by famine to go into Egypt for four generations until Moses, a great-great grandson of Jacob,[33] led the Israelites back into Canaan in the “Exodus“. The earliest archaeological artifact to mention the word “Israel” is the Merneptah Stele of ancient Egypt (dated to the late 13th century BCE).[34]
The area is also known as the Holy Land, being holy for all Abrahamic religions including Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the Bahá’í Faith. Prior to the 1948 Israeli Declaration of Independence, the whole region was known by various other names including Southern Syria, Syria Palestina, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Iudaea Province, Coele-Syria, Retjenu, Canaan and, particularly, Palestine.
Now, what happens when you have what is promoted as a judeo-christian nation which is purportedly the “only democratic nation in the region” (translation: the only fully controlled and owned globalist state in the region) while that state actually takes an aggressive stance toward its neighbours from day one while bleating that “if we don’t stand up for ourselves the Arab/Muslims will slaughter us”. Yet, had they shared Palestine with the Palestinians and lived in peace (and as we know, terrorism of the King David Hotel and other atrocities around that time is not the way to settle peacefully with one’s neighbours AND hosts), there would have been no wish on the part of their neighbours – the muslim world – to feel this way. Again, we must ask ourselves who is at fault here when jews or “jews” have been thrown out of almost every nation they have used as a host in history (while isn’t that a fact? They have had HOST nations a little like, one could say, the movie “Alien” where the human body acted as a HOST for the Alien embryo). How does one destroy a nation or a culture or movement? By planting “aliens” with agendas into the nation. By setting up oneself within a host and eating away from the inside. If you have different hosts in different lands and you wish to destroy them all then one good way would be by setting up a “diaspora” now wouldn’t it?
Diaspora definition: any group migration or flight from a country or region. Synonyms: dispersion, dissemination, migration, displacement, scattering.
Interestingly: “Spore” definition: A usually one-celled reproductive body that can grow into a new organism without uniting with another cell. Spores are haploid (having only a single set of chromosomes). Fungi, algae, seedless plants, and certain protozoans reproduce asexually by spores.
Now, remember, I am not speaking here of an everyday, ignorant jew – ignorant of the agenda of a zionist movement which is wholly controlled by globalist interests and who have NO interest, nor similarity, to an everyday jew (just like the everyday, ignorant Brit or American who have zero in common with the British or American wealth establishment and who are globalists themselves or pawns thereof). So PLEASE understand this and do not be so willfully ignorant as to, once again, read this quickly, pick up what you want from it and scream “anti semite”. Or, by all means do so – I couldn’t give a rats arse if you are willfully ignorant!
So then Rothschild and the globalists have their “beach-head”, Israel, within the Islamic region of the world and they use the tool of “persecution throughout the ages” and the tool of “the Holocaust” (nothing to do with Arabs by the way) and “democracy” and all that good stuff to create the myth of “poor little Israel” while “poor little Israel” has nuclear weapons which have never been admitted to the UN security council while that same body – controlled by the same globalists, Rockefeller this time – demands every other country in the region and elsewhere to declare their nuclear weapons and/or refrain from developing them – the hypocrisy is absolutely stunning isn’t it?). Therefore, every move Israel makes is one of defence even when it is the agressor. The western mainstream media owned by the globalists ensures that the ignorant mass of conditioned western population, swallow the story they’re given while Israel is acting precisely as the globalists want – to shake up the region.
Over time – after the 2nd world war – the globalists further consolidate their position in the Middle East by way of their technology and capability in finding and then drilling for oil via their oil and gas multinationals. The IMF does its bit to leverage entry for western conglomerates (globalist interests) into the region using bribery and outright corruption to increase the region’s debt but the region is still under the ultimate control of non western orientated leaders and establishment.
Then comes 9/11.
Netanyahu: “Good for Israel”. No buddy, you may have thought so at the time (but I doubt it because I’m sure you know the globalist plan) but you’re going to find out that it was the worst thing for the PEOPLE of Israel even though you, as a state, played a formidable part in it.
You see, while your Zionist neocons like Wolfowitz, Perle, Donald Rumsfeld etc wrote your PNAC document wherein you state:
“[What we require is] a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States’ global responsibilities. Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership of the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of the past century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.”
and
”Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor”
[ And please note that the "What we require" and references to the "United States" are all actually translatable to "We" and "United States" being "Globalist interests" and nothing to do with the United States people at all - the US (and UK/NATO) military is ALL globalist controlled]
And you THINK that is beneficial to jewish/Israeli interests, you are terribly wrong.
So while Ehud Barak and Richard Perle are shouting for the Western nations (Christians doing the dirty work of the “jews”/Zionists once more) to attack a long list of nations in the Middle East on the very day of 9/11 on British TV (funnily enough all those same nations we are picking off one by one up to the present day)…..
Watch and listen from 7.20 onwards:
…. the culmination of all of this leads to a VERY different outcome for Israel which has not yet (but will) revealed itself.
When the magician does his magic trick through slight of hand, you are watching his left hand while his right is doing the REAL job!
Let me explain:
Israel refuses to tell US its Iran intentions
Israel has refused to reassure President Barack Obama that it would warn him in advance of any pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear capabilities, raising fears that it may be planning a go-it-alone attack as early as next summer. (that is Summer 2012)
The US leader was rebuffed last month when he demanded private guarantees that no strike would go ahead without White House notification, suggesting Israelno longer plans to “seek Washington’s permission”, sources said. The disclosure, made by insiders briefed on a top-secret meeting between America’s most senior defence chief and Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s hawkish prime minister, comes amid concerns that Iran’s continuing progress towards nuclear weapons capability means the Jewish state has all but lost hope for a diplomatic solution.
On Tuesday, UN weapons inspectors released their most damning report to date into Iran’s nuclear activities, saying for the first time that the Islamic republic appeared to be building a nuclear weapon. It was with that grave possiblity in mind that Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, flew into Israel last month on what was ostensibly a routine trip.
Officially, his brief was restricted to the Middle East peace process, but the most important part of his mission was a private meeting with Mr Netanyahu and the defence minister, Ehud Barak. Once all but a handful of trusted staff had left the room, Mr Panetta conveyed an urgent message from Barack Obama. The president, Mr Panetta said, wanted an unshakable guarantee that Israel would not carry out a unilateral military strike against Iran’s nuclear installations without first seeking Washington’s clearance.
The two Israelis were notably evasive in their response, according to sources both in Israel and the United States.
“They did not suggest that military action was being planned or was imminent, but neither did they give any assurances that Israel would first seek Washington’s permission, or even inform the White House in advance that a mission was underway,” one said.
An Israeli attack could probably manage at most a dozen targets, using more than 100 F-15 and F-16 aircraft.
But not everyone is so sure. Mr Obama’s willingness to take on Iran militarily is openly questioned in Israel. And while many Israelis do not believe Iran has any intention of actually firing a nuclear missile at them, the the key question is whether their prime minister is one of them.
In Mr Netanyahu’s eyes, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is another “Hitler” whose aim is to complete what the Holocaust failed to do by wiping out the Jewish race.
“People outside Israel don’t understand how profound memories of the Holocaust are, and how they affect future policy making,” said Mr Bergman, the military analyst. “At the end of the day, this policy of ‘never again’ would dictate Israel’s behaviour when intelligence comes through that Iran has come close to a bomb.”
Israel-refuses-to-tell-US-its-Iran-intentions.html
Now, let us, at this point, correct the proven mistranslation of Ahmadinejad’s words regarding “Wiping Israel off the map”. He did not ever say this. He stated that the Zionist regime (NOT Israel or the Israeli people) should disappear from the pages of history. ENTIRELY different words and intent from that which the Israeli, American and British mainstream media and press would have us all believe – but then it is the globalists who own them so it is what we have come to expect from our media whores.
Further, Israelis have every right to believe that Iran would not attack them. For what reason would Iran wish to attack? Let’s forget this old worn out “tactic” of “Because they hate us for our freedoms” – WHAT freedoms? Who feels free in ANY country these days under this Orwellian nightmare called Globalism? The Israelis themselves, I am sure, just like us Brits or Americans hardly feel “free”. We are not! We are controlled by a UN based upon a legal system oppressing us through our registration of birth (but that’s the subject of another blog you can read).
Israel themselves have nukes! Do the countries of the Middle East and their people live in constant fear that Israel would nuke them? (let’s ignore for a moment the fact that, with zionist hawks like Netanyahu at the helm, they probably would). Do the nations of the world all live in constant fear that the US or UK or any of the other nations with nukes are going to nuke them tomorrow or any day soon? Then WHY does the Israeli regime think Iran would? (even IF Iran were developing nukes which has, as yet never been proven while Iran says it is for nuclear energy). Is it that “persecution complex” which follows them everywhere at large again? Well by the sound of the above – “People outside Israel don’t understand how profound memories of the Holocaust are, and how they affect future policy making,” – it probably is!
Imagine a PARANOID, rabid dog (or “Mad dog”) with nuclear weapons! Now THAT scares the hell out of me more than Mahmoud Achmadinejad!
So, what we have here is an Israeli regime suggesting they may well make a pre-emptive strike upon Iran in or around Summer 2012. Would that be to the globalists’ liking? I say yes. Very definitely so. Yet, from reading the above article and others, it would seem it is not to Obama’s liking now wouldn’t it? And yet we know that Obama is a globalist puppet so that doesn’t make sense does it?
Herr Rockefeller
Well yes it does. Because while the world believes that the US and UK etc are big Israeli buddies (and I have suggested this myself on the face of it in blogs and videos while I also recognise the bigger “game” in all of this), they are not. They are “buddies” (more like paid servants) of the Rothschild and Rockefeller globalists. Yes Rothschild owns/controls Israel BUT he sees it as simply another pawn in the game. Rothschild doesn’t give a damn about people whoever they are whatever nationality, religion or race. Rothschild doesn’t give a damn about the ideology of an Israeli state for Jews except it has been of great use up until now. NOW, however, it is past its “sell by” date. It’s usefulness as a regime in the middle east has come to a stop.
Why? Well, because, since 9/11 what has happened? The globalists have now directly taken up real estate in the region. They have Iraq and they now have Libya and, of course, Afghanistan. The globalists now control Israel and three other far more sizeable nations in the region. Israel is actually no longer needed AND, in fact, is somewhat of a problem for them because what the globalist plan is, is the total unification of the Arab muslim world under Islam with all states having the globalist (“western”) puppet regimes. However, the muslim nations/people do not want this “Mad dog” jewish nation biting at their heels and they wish to feel they are in charge of their own destiny. The Arab League and the Muslim Brotherhood (entirely globalist controlled) will have them believe they have achieved it while, quietly, the puppets will be singing the globalist tune (it was NEVER the western tune because the globalists are not interested in the ideas of east and west but simply globalism and one world government – the world is seen as their oyster NOT a country or region).
So HERE is the crux of the matter:
If and when Israel decide to make a pre-emptive strike on Iran (or perhaps another nation) – and Netanyahu is very probably well in step with the globalist aspirations to the point he and his cronies would be happy to sacrifice Israel for the agenda – the US globalist controlled Armed Forces (perhaps along with the UK and EU and NATO) would crush Israel.
I mentioned the Wolfowitz’s and Perles earlier. These nerds are lackeys in the scheme of things. They are useful idiots. Perhaps they actually believe they are having the western nations carry out Israel’s dirty work for Israel’s benefit or perhaps they ARE smarter than that, I don’t know. What I am 99% convinced of however is that while these guys strategise, there is a level above them who strategise on the “Grand Chessboard”. These individuals are the Kissingers and the Brzezinskis.
Now why does Obama seem reticient to attack Iran while also trying to be diplomatic and friendly with Israel? In fact, one would consider him to be very friendly with Israel since he is funded by Goldman Sachs and Rothschild picked etc. But Goldman and Rothschild are NOT concerned with Israel but with globalism. THEIR “Zionism” is not the zionism of the many jews who have bought into the story and ideology of a “homeland for the jews”. The Zionists allowed and consciously wished for the deaths and persecutions of the jews in WW2 and they got it. They wanted it because they wanted sufficient jewish blood to be spilled to give them a strong case to create the jewish homeland in Israel. But it was NEVER for the purpose of having a jewish homeland. It was for the purpose of having that globalist “beach-head” in the region to agitate while the globalists made their further plans.
Why did the Zionist organisation smuggle Nazis into Palestine near the end of the war? Smuggling Nazis into the homeland for the jews? Come on! Use your head!
YES THEY DID!
Zionist Organisation smuggling Nazis into Palestine
So, as said earlier, high above the Wolfowitz and Perle neocons are the Kissingers and Brzezinskis. Now, Brzezinski wrote his book “The Grand Chessboard” in 1997 – 3 years before the neocons wrote their PNAC document suggesting a new Pearl Harbor would be useful to drum up Americans support for imperial wars by the American military (on behalf of the globalists who Brzezinski works for) and this is what HE said in it:
“…it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.”
Now let’s put the PNAC and Brzezinski quotes side by side:
“…the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” PNAC
“…it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.” BRZEZINSKI
Zbigniew isn't a jew yeah yeah yeah he's a metal guru!
Now, by all means, look up the source document and book for each of these quotes and read in full context. You will see it changes nothing. Both of these groups/people knew what had to be done and they did it. If you wish to believe in coincidences like this then you might like a book I would recommend: Fables and Fairy stories by Hans Christian Andersen! Be careful though. It contains adult content suitable only for those 8 years and older!
But where is your evidence Earthling regarding the idea that the globalists (via the American/UK/NATO forces) would consider taking out Israel?
Here: zbig-brzezinski-obama-administration-should-tell-israel-us-will-attack-israeli-jets-if-they-try-to-a
The national security adviser for former President Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, gave an interview to The Daily Beast in which he suggested President Obama should make it clear to Israel that if they attempt to attack Iran’s nuclear weapons sites the U.S. Air Force will stop them.
“We are not exactly impotent little babies,” Brzezinski said. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch? … We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a ‘Liberty’ in reverse.”
And, from what I have read extensively about the modus operandi of the globalists plus having read “The Grand Chessboard” in entirety by Brzezinski and recognising whose payroll he is on and whose orders he takes (Rockefeller’s), I can see exactly that the grand scheme in this is to remove any and all Israeli threat to the Middle East (either destroying in totality the state called Israel or simply removing the zionist/jewish homeland ideology of it and its regime) and uniting the Islamic republics under a strong central core (which I believe may well be Iran) with globalist puppet leaders in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Egypt etc etc etc. Such a region – wholly controlled by globalist interests – then “making amends” with the west and becoming “friends” and turning on the major “enemy” of the globalists: China. That is the intention. That is the globalist agenda. Taming China and Asia and then creating the One world government under globalist/banking control. The western nations already succumbed centuries ago. Parts of Asia already have such as Singapore and the Philippines (also Australia). Africa will be off limits to China resource-wise once the Middle East and the west make their “pact”. We can see Italy and Greece being run now by trilateralist central bankers. My only question is Russia. They are still very much influenced by the “Zionist”/”jewish” west but it is questionable by how much. Putin for instance doesn’t seem too enamoured by Rothschild.
So Israel the upshot is: You are a pawn and while you see the sabre rattling by the US and the west against Iran, the real target is you!
While here’s one last little quirk to think about:
Do you remember earlier the Telegraph report suggesting perhaps a strike by Israel in the Summer of 2012?
Just so happens that’s Zion Olympics!
And David Cameron has stated he is going to have surface to air missiles at the ready to defend against what? Terrorists? I mean there are terrorists and there are terrorists right?
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“Come on down to London and enjoy the 2012 Zion Olympics. 1000 FBI agents, Mossad agents – this is the Olympics to end all olympics! It’s the MOTHER (fcuker) of all olympics! We even have Surface to Air missiles ready for launch against …… what? More hijacked planes? The Royal Airforce can’t send up intercepts to hijacked passenger aircraft? You think the men in caves have got hold of a nuke? Perhaps one you lost David?
Christ lads! Whatever you do, don’t try to set any new world records for javelin or discus throwing otherwise you may just set off something else if you throw them to high and far: You may set off World War 3 and end up with not a new world record but a NEW WORLD ORDER!
BE WARNED!
Barack Obama assassination attempt?
No. Not in a million years.
This is a false flag set up start to finish.
US police arrest White House drive-by shooting suspect Barack Obama’s apartment in the White house was hit by at least one bullet that cracked a window, US Secret Service has said.
Shooting suspect Oscar Ramiro Ortega Photo: AP By Barney Henderson 8:41PM GMT 16 Nov 2011
The bullets were thought to have been fired during a drive-by shooting that resulted in two bullets hitting the White House. One of the bullets was found impacted in the ballistic glass of an exterior window on the residential level where the president and his family live.
Police on Wednesday night arrested a 21-year-old Hispanic man in Pennsylvania in connection with the shooting.
Oscar Ortega-Hernandez was arrested by state police at a hotel near Indiana, the Secret Service special agent in charge, Edwin Donovan, said.
Witnesses heard shots and saw two speeding vehicles in the area, in between the White House and the Washington Monument, late on Friday night. An AK-47 rifle was recovered and semi-automatic gun was also involved, a US Park Police spokesman said.
President Obama and the first lady, Michelle Obama, were in California at the time of the shooting.
Related Articles Bullet ‘hit White House window’ 16 Nov 2011
Officials could be seen taking photographs of a window on the south face of the executive mansion yesterday.
The probe has not yet “conclusively connected” the bullets found on the White House grounds to Friday’s incident.
Ortega is from Idaho Falls, Idaho, and was believed to be living in the Washington area. He was reported missing Oct 31 by his family. He has an arrest record in three states but has not been linked to any radical organisations, US Park Police said.
Mr Ortega is described as a 5’11, white Hispanic male of medium build, with several distinguishing tattoos – including three dots on his right hand, his name across his back and the word Israel tattooed on his neck.
“As the investigation unfolded, the US Park Police located a vehicle in the 2300 block of Constitution Avenue,” the US Park Police said in an earlier statement.
“Evidence in the vehicle led to us obtaining an arrest warrant for Oscar Ortega.”
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WERE IT SOME WHITE NATIONALIST GROUP LOGO HE’D HAD ON HIS NECK- THE MASS MEDIA WOULD HAVE PLAYED BIG WITH IT- ISRAEL BRANDED GETS NOT A MENTION IN THE AIRWAYS. KINDA MAKES SENSE WHY HE TRIED TO GUN DOWN OBAMA- WHEN ISRAEL IS WHERE HIS ALLEGIENCES LIE!!
Zionist Bullets Shot Across Obama’s Bow?
by Kevin Barrett
Is the state of Israel threatening the life of the President of the United States?
To those brainwashed by America’s Zionist corporate media, the question sounds like paranoid fantasy. But the truth is that powerful geopolitical actors do sometimes attempt to intimidate each other through “plausibly deniable” threats. And the Zionists, masters of hardball realpolitik, are said to do such things with some regularity, not to mention chutzpah.
Item: Obama leaves his microphone on to tell the world that Netanyahu is a liar. Zionist flack Dennis Ross is ejected from the White House. It looks like Obama isn’t going to obey Netanyahu’s orders to attack Iran.
Item: A bullet slams into a White House window. A “lone nut,” branded like a steer by the word Israel tattooed on his neck, is arrested and charged with the crime.
Item: The FBI arrests some anti-Obama “good ole boys” armed with “52 weapons, including assault rifles, and 30,000 rounds of ammunition, including special sniper rounds.” The crackers were targeting Obama, Eric Holder, and Cynthia McKinney. The ostensible message: “Us crackers gonna get you uppity communistic niggaz.” Translated from cracker-speak, the real message might be: “Us Zionists gonna get you uppity pro-Palestinian schwartzes unless you attack Iran when we tell you to.”
Any way you parse it, Netanyahu is obviously out of control, and he and his doomed, illegitimate settler colony are trying to drag the world down with them. Maybe it’s time for the US to retaliate in kind, and send out some bullets with Netanyahu’s name on them.
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Listen to my interviews with Gordon Duff and Cynthia McKinney, both of which touched on Obama’s dissing Netanyahu, and Netanyahu’s possible response.
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I have said, time and time again, that the REAL intentions of the zionists I refer to (and they, as I see it, are simply an arm of the jesuit order while I admit to mixing them both together at times and referring to them as Zionists) is to destroy the Israeli government because it is of no further use and has passed its sell by date.
What has me state this so strongly? Well another thing I state time and again is that people should (must) read Zbigniew Brzezinski’s book “The Grand Chessboard”. Not just read quotes from it but read the entire thing.
Brzezinski also is on record as stating that, if Israel were to attack Iran, America would have to send fighter jets up to intercept!
Brzezinski is Obama’s MENTOR and he is Obama’s Democratic equivalent to Henry Kissinger re geopolitical strategy.
The agenda by the British/American globalist/Zionist faction is to rid the Middle East of Israel (or at least Israel as it currently exists politically and as a regional superpower) and end up with a Middle East entirely composed of muslim power, an Islamic caliphate.
“But we’re against Islam” I hear you say!
Let me tell you something: These bastards are strategists. Get that in your head. As a strategist in geopolitics you don’t go rushing in and blowing trumpets and you keep your friends close and enemies closer. You then fcuk your enemy over.
To ANY jew reading this: Your ZIONIST “chums” are working on fcuking you over once more!
So, the hispanic had “Israel” tattooed on his neck did he? Makes absolute sense because what they want to do is portray Israel as a “mad dog” and dangerous to the world – which it actually is BUT the people who have created this “mad dog” (and I speak of it as a “mad dog” from the words of Israeli top brass themselves) now want to destroy it because the International “jews” – the Zionists – or Churchill’s “atheist jews” don’t have the slightest interest in a patch of land. These people work with the real power to KEEP their power globally and if Israel – a chess piece – is getting in the way, then Israel will be sacrificed.
The Arab Springs are Western/Zionist manipulated (CIA) events and, as we can see in Greece and in Italy with new leadership picked from the Trilateral Commission etc, the new Arab leaders are also Western globalist puppets and the Arab people are not quite getting this.
Now Iraq is under western control and Libya. My own feeling is that the wonderful Mr Ahmadinejad is laughing and grinning his way through a negotiation with the west to a point where he wishes Iran to be the leading nation in the Middle East and then, with the west’s blessing, Iran will be so.
Once this is achieved, the Middle East is filled with puppet regimes (and the west filled with globalist puppet leaders) and, together, the christian west and Asian/Middle Eastern Muslim world will stand shoulder to shoulder against the prime target for Brzezinski: CHINA.
Russia is still questionable at this stage.
READ “THE GRAND CHESSBOARD”.
If that had been any form of a real assassination attempt, then like JFK, Obama would be dead. Obama was not even in Washington D.C. and if someone was serious in intent, do you think FOR ONE MOMENT they are going to just plug bullets in windows while driving by? With no sign or even idea that anyone was in the room nevermind Obama! Do you think someone is truly as incompetent as this if they have serious intent? While they chance being jailed for a very long time having not even having their target in sight?
How gullible are you?
Meanwhile, he just so happens to have “Israel” stamped on his neck?
Jesus H Christ people wake up! You’re not 8 year olds anymore who, even they, have a hard time accepting fairy stories!
ADOLF HITLER DID NOT WANT WAR!
I have NEVER been a fan of Hitler nor the Nazis, nor the IRA or any Dictator during the vast majority of my life. Who the hell would be if they were sane individuals?
But, in recent years – just the past handful – I have researched so much into history and particularly hidden history and peered beneath the surface because I was compelled to do so by events which unfolded in my own life and left me speechless about the lies, deception and guilt of my own government, judiciary and western governments in general, that my entire belief system has been turned inside out. I have to say that this “research” of mine has not been minimal in any shape or form. It has been wide and deep and has taken up 4 solid years of my life (luckily I have immensely enjoyed it) and the blinkers are off and the eyes are wide open.
I can’t point the reader to every single book and text and paragraph and documentary that I have read or watched, nor regurgitate the entirety of the hours and days I have spent reading congressional and parliamentary minutes so as to crystallize everything which has led me to the conclusions and statements I make in my blogs. I would love to write a book but it would be enormous and I wouldn’t know where to begin (or end), This jigsaw puzzle is just so immense such that it involves every single subject associated with life and history and sociology itself. I have two degrees: In Physics and in Business studies which took 6 years in total to complete but, incomparison to the time I’ve spent on this in the past 4 years, those studies were “part time”. If there was such a thing as a PhD in this overall subject, I’d have two of them by now!
So, what I write and blog about is really just short insights into subjects I have looked at and, for everything which I do post, I expect the reader, if they are interested either to confirm for themselves or for the purpose of challenging and denying, to research for themselves.
Not wishing to offend anyone but the more I read and learn of this character, the more I admire him and disbelieve the absolute shit we have been conditioned into believing of him. Further the more I understand of the zionist creeps, liars and thieves in our own governments and establishment, then even more to I admire this guy for his achievements. So very similar to Gaddafi’s. There is no doubt that we have been seriously deceived.
And no, I am no Nazi but I seriously question whether it would have been a bad thing.
Of course, from the amount I have to say negatively about Zionism – and those who would wish to consider this to mean all jewish people and is just a “front” for an assumed “Nazi” to be “anti semitic” – and now praising, or at least admitting admiration for Adolf Hitler, those who would wish to label me whatever will. For those people let me be blunt: I do not give a FCUK any longer. Your perception is just that and is coloured by what you wish to believe and your own prejudices.
So with that, I ask you to listen to this video speech by Adolf Hitler where he, in his own words, makes it quite clear that he never wished for war with America and had not with Britain either.
Now, of course, you are going to suggest “well that’s Hitler talking – a crazed genocidal dictator” etc etc. He lied.
Ok, sure I understand that. After all, that’s what we have been led to believe for decades. I don’t know about you though but I wasn’t born until well after the war and yet, what I see from “our side” re Hussein, Gaddafi etc, is a solid block of bullshit. Why should it have changed?
So here is someone else saying, concretely, Hitler did not wish for war with Britain:
“I received a telephone call from my friend ‘Putzi’ Hanfstaengi, who was at that time Hitler’s personal private secretary and court jester. He told me that the Führer had been reading my speeches with interest, and would like to see me at his headquarters in the Esplanade Hotel.
It is true that when I walked across the long room to a corner in which he was sitting writing, in a brown shirt with a swastika on his arm, he waited without looking up until I had reached his side, then sprang to his feet, lifted his right arm, and shouted ‘Hitler!’; and that I responded by clicking my heels together, raising my right arm, and shouting back: ‘Boothby!’
I talked with Hitler for over an hour; and it was not long before I detected the unmistakable glint of madness in his eyes. I was much impressed by his grasp of Keynesian economics at that time. He said that I was quite right about economic
expansion, and the means by which it could be achieved. But he added that this was now a political crisis, and that political forces would bring him to power. “After that,” he said, “I shall bend economics to my will; and I have in my hands the necessary instrument, a man called Schacht.” He had no sense of humour. He asked me how I would feel if Germany had beaten us in the last war, and driven a corridor between England and Scotland. I said: “You forget, Herr Hitler, that I
come from Scotland. We should have been delighted.” He did not smile. Instead he brought his fist down with a crash on the table and said: “So! I had no idea that the hatred between the two peoples was so great.” Perhaps this was one of the reasons why he sent Hess to Scotland in 1940, for I am sure that he did; and why he never bombed Edinburgh.
I then asked him, point-blank, what he was going to do to the Jews. I thought Hanfstaengi was going to faint, but only a flicker of irritation crossed his face. After a moment he said: ‘There will be no pogroms.’ I think that, at the time, he probably meant it. He had already planned to take over the whole of central and eastern Europe, and intended to deport all German Jews to those countries. What I cannot bring myself to believe is that he was unaware of what Himmler ultimately did to them.
That night I thought long and earnestly about the interview. I came to the conclusion that his plans were far more advanced than I had thought. He did not then wish to attack Britain and the British Empire, or even France. What he was determined to do was to bring the whole of central and eastern Europe under German control; and for this purpose Austria, and above all Czechoslovakia, were the key points”.
From Lord Boothby’s biography: “Recollections of a rebel” 1978.
Boothby, while a homosexual and having a relationship with Ronnie Kray while the British government hushed it all up and told the Met Police to lay off – thereby allowing the Kray twins to carry on for another few years (says a lot about how the Police are controlled by a corrupt government doesn’t it?) – there is hardly any reason for him to lie about the intentions of Hitler when he was so ardently opposed to the regime and any threat to the British Empire. Yes they still spoke of the British Empire in those days because, in fact, that Empire still exists today but simply in another form and it is based upon the money power. Always was. Adolf was a serious danger to that money power as was Gaddafi today.
So. What are you going to do? Say on one hand that people have freedomm of speech and of expression and when they encounter factual data which has them form their own conclusions which don’t quite agree with those the government demand they should have, you act in the very same way that you try to teach the population that this guy acted with his population? So it goes something like this: “Listen, if you start talking about a fascist dictator like he wasn’t quite a fascist dictator then we will come and shut you up and shut you down so that you cannot express freely your beliefs or conclusions but WE’RE not fascist dictators!”? Is that what you’re saying Officers?
YOU FCUKING JERKS!
Don't let the bastards close you down!
Yes, that’s my MAC Officer. And YOU fcuking stole it! In total about 2 grands worth. You fcuking THIEVES! You ignorant dirty fcuking thieves make me sick with your ignorance and your excuse of “just doing our job”. You fcuking STOLE my property based upon BULLSHIT! And I intend getting it back and in poerfect working order or you will fcuking pay for it!
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