George Osbourne & UK TREASURY: EVASIVE LYING TRIPE!
Here are the questions and points put to George Osbourne through Mark Lazarowiz requesting a full and frank explanation:
Just one further issue for now that I would request you pass to the relevant government Minister – and I shall copy Mr Darling on this because I see him as the relevant minister without a doubt (please advise me if I am mistaken). There are certain issues which it is impossible to reduce into a simple one or two line “soundbite”. Perhaps that is what our MPs wish for from their constituents but I am afraid I can only be as succinct as the topic allows –
I would request from the relevant minister, an explanation of the following. It is a very simple question in essence. HOW did Mr Darling not know about the impending crisis until, at the earliest, Summer, 2007?
Let me list the UK attendees who attended the Bilderberg conference in May 2003:
Taylor. J Martin – Chairman WH Smith PLC; International advisor, Goldman Sachs International
Balls, Edward – Chief Economic Advisor to the Treasury
Clarke, Kenneth – Member of Parliament, [former Chancellor of the Exchequer]
Gould, Philip – Public Relations Adviser to Prime Minister Blair
King, Mervyn A. – Deputy Governor, Bank of England
Williams, Gareth – Leader of the House of Lords
Wolf, Martin H. – Associate Editor/Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
Micklethwait, R. John – United States Editor, The Economist
Rachman, Gideon – Brussels Correspondent, The Economist
Now, regarding the reports of it being well understood in political and financial circles what was on the horizon:
Sept 26th 2002: “To make matters worse, the assembled company generally agreed that America and Britain, would soon be threatened by the new bubbles in the property markets……..”
May 2003: “…the ruling elite in Europe is now telling their minions that the West is on the brink of total financial meltdown;”
INCREDIBLE “crystal ball” these people have isn’t it? It’s not as if they are thinking it COULD happen or that there is a CHANCE of it happening. They’re saying bluntly that it is GOING to happen and giving their “minions” (our government representatives) warnings to ensure their little lapdogs do as they’re told.
And before anyone suggests WE were advised in any way by our governments. Think again (yet reps from our governments and Central Banks attended but said nothing and kept pushing the mortgages and loans!!). Here is Alistair Darling -
“He can clearly recall the day last summer when alarm bells first began to sound. The chancellor was on holiday with his wife and their two teenage children in Majorca. “I remember I picked up the FT in the supermarket, as you do, and it had the European central bank starting to put money into the economy. I phoned the office to ask why they were doing quite so much. It didn’t surprise me that money was going in – there was concern going around – but it was the sheer scale of it. I said, what about our institutions? This was when Northern Rock started to figure.”When news broke of the first run on a British bank in more than a century, Darling was back in Edinburgh. “I received a phone call and went straight down to London. From where I never returned. That was the last time I saw Edinburgh.”Even then, the gravity of the credit crunch was still not fully clear. “No one knew how serious it was yet.”
Alistair Darling: Aug 2008.
AND, to the IMF in Oct 2007:
“In the UK, in the recent Pre-Budget Report we revised the forecast for growth down for 2008 to the range 2 to 2½ per cent to reflect this international uncertainty. But due to a combination of the Government’s strongmacroeconomic framework, its promotion of open and flexible labour, product and capital markets and the strength of the British economy in the first half of the year, it is anticipated that the economy will remain resilient and return to its trend growth path in 2009. The underlying strength of the British economy has allowed the government to put in place medium term spending plans which support the objective of a strong economy and a fair society, able to meet the challenges of new global economy, with opportunity and security for all.”
So what I want to know is this: WHO are the LIARS here? I tend to almost trust (perhaps naively) this ex Chancellor not knowing. After all, he didn’t attend and he was not Chancellor at that point so perhaps he was not privy and one of the inner circle? Or perhaps Darling DID know but knew if he said anything prior to when he did, it wouldn’t be a healthy thing to do?
BUT, what we DO know is that, among others, KEN CLARKE and MERVYN KING attended this conference in 2003.
So the questions of Mr Darling are these:
a) You presented to the IMF that you believed that the UK economy was healthy (how you can suggest such when we have no industry to speak of is beyond me, but anyhow) plus you stated in the Guardian interview that the earliest sign you had was in Summer 2007. Even then you had no concept of how big an issue it was to be. Were you speaking the entire truth on these two occasions?
b) If the answer to 1. is “Yes”, then please simply explain how our own Chancellor had no idea of what was impending when reports from two separate occasions, 4 to 5 years prior, attended by the most influential controllers of finance, economy and government in the UK and the USA, show clearly that these people KNEW what was ahead and even spoke of how to re-orientate their own investment portfolios to deal with it?
c) Why, when our government and Banking establishment knew what was coming, no action was taken by the Bank of England or the government, to reign in public spending nor to regulate/control individual/private spending/debt but simply allowed it to continue.
d) Why did the Chancellor (both of them) and Bank of England not attack the derivative issue head on from approximately 2002/2003 onward?
e) I do not have to explain to the ex Chancellor how Fractional Reserve Banking works. Neither do I have to explain to him how the CDS/Derivatives market works. What I would like to know is how a man, in charge of and entire country’s finances (UK PLC’s Chief Accountant) did not recognise from a very early point (even if he was not privy to the meetings and the information gleaned from them by Mervyn King, Ed Balls and Ken Clarke etc) that the county was on seriously thin ice? The individual debt to income ratio in 1997 was 101%. By 2007 it was 173%. It is EASY to talk of “good times” when all the government is doing, by fiscal policy, is creating greater and greater debt. What they did NOT create was INDUSTRY.
4. Finally, if this is not for Mr Darling to respond to, then please pass to whichever Minister who’s job it IS to answer. And please ensure it is understood and is answered sufficiently. No evasion:
1977 Torquay Bilderberg Conference
HC Deb 28 April 1977 vol 930 c373W 373W
§ Mr. Gwilym Roberts asked the Prime Minister what members of Her Majesty’s Government had agreed to go to the Bilderberg Conference in Torquay and in what capacity; if he will ensure that the Government will not be represented at future conferences of this type; and if he will make a statement.
§ The Prime Minister: I understand that this was a private occasion which all participants attended in a personal capacity. The question of representation of Her Majesty’s Government or of their consent to the conference being held did not therefore arise.
Now, I trust a long explanation of this is unnecessary so I will simply say this: The Prime Minister at this time was James Callaghan. His response was that the conference was a “private occasion” attended in a “personal capacity”. It was, in 1977, at a time when no-one had any clue or even heard of the Bilderberg Group outside a very few in tight circles. Mr Roberts makes it clear that no-one from Her Majesty’s government should be attending such meetings and you and your MP colleagues know why this is. Please do not have the replier to this question act dumb Mark.
So then, we move on to the following:
Mr. Blair’s denial of Bilderberg attendance.
Norman Baker: To ask the Prime Minister in which years since 1993 (a) he and (b) other Government Ministers have attended meetings of the Bilderberg group. 
The Prime Minister: The information requested is not held centrally.
Norman Baker: To ask the Prime Minister pursuant to the answer of 12 October 2006, Official Report, column 862W, on the Bilderberg Group, if he will provide the information requested in respect of himself since 1997. 
The Prime Minister: I have not attended any such meetings.
Why would Mr. Blair be so reticent in admitting to having attended such conferences? As many of our politicians have in the past.
Mr. Blair did not answer the first question because it was asked of “The Prime Minister” and not of “Tony Blair”. So therefore it was re-asked from the time he had become Prime Minister in 1997. It could be construed, could it not, that he would not answer the first question because, in fact, he had attended in 1993 (along with Ken Clarke) while not wishing to divulge such information.
Examination of Witness (Questions 78 – 99) TUESDAY 27 FEBRUARY 2001 THE RT HON KENNETH CLARKE “I could add more and I do refer to the one which actually did not cause me any damage when I was linked with Tony Blair when we were mildly rebuked by the Committee for not declaring that we had not paid a hotel bill at a political conference a few years ago, a conference to which I had paid my own air fare, so I had spent hundreds of pounds attending this conference. I do recall that, at first, neither Tony Blair nor myself found it easy to remember whether we had actually paid for the accommodation or not when we had been there, but both of us were separately investigated. That is not my prime motive, my mild indignation on that occasion rapidly passed and I did not make any protest at the time”.
What is the point? The point is quite clearly as follows:
Callaghan knew it was necessary that he responded that people attended the Bilderberg Conference (a so called “Private occasion”) in a personal capacity (an evasion) thereby suggesting there was no influence nor collaboration nor political policy or national impact. Mr Roberts knew different.
Mr Blair, meanwhile, continues the obfuscation of the issue.
Lastly, however, Mr Clarke (a Steering Committee member of what is simply a “Private Occasion”) describes the reality that it is a POLITICAL CONFERENCE.
Question (rhetorical): Is this or is this not SEDITION?
I have explained why it is in previous correspondence with you (re the Coronation Oath etc). You have also heard David Cameron speaking about the power lies with the people regarding the transference of any powers from an elected Parliament of the UK to any and all third parties such as the EU. He is correct because he knows that the Coronation Oath of the monarch and Head of State is worn to the people. Mandelson also knows that the Oath he takes as a Privy Councillor to the monarch is to a Head of State who swears her oath to the people.
I will ask firmly once more that this issue is not evaded and that the answer is provided in detail. If there is disagreement regarding what I have stated here, I demand to have a clear and precise explanation and justification of the replier’s position and the position of the United Kingdom government.
Please ask your Ministers to treat the public and their constituents with respect by providing full, detailed non-evasive, considered responses to inquiries. Such will then ensure that this respect is reciprocated.
Thank you and Regards,
HERE IS THE REPLY OVER 6 MONTHS LATER – seemingly there was a draft reply in or around December last year – AND AFTER NUMEROUS CHASERS BY MARK LAZAROWICZ (SO HE LEADS ME TO BELIEVE):
WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS TO ANY SINGLE ONE OF THE SPECIFIC POINTS? NOWHERE!
THEY TREAT YOU LIKE THE MUSHROOMS YOU ALLOW THEM TO CONSIDER YOU AS!
As for this “EX Northerner” Mark Hoban: Here’s what he is – LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS! Well I never! And ex PWC. But yet another thick, ignorant imbecile who’s “in the game”.
Mark Hoban was appointed Financial Secretary to the Treasury in May 2010.
Mark was appointed the Shadow Financial Secretary to the Treasury in December 2005. Between November 2003 and December 2005 he was Shadow Minister for Schools. Prior to November 2003, he was an Opposition Whip. Between 2001 and 2003 Mark was a member of the Select Committee on Science and Technology.
Mark was born in 1964. He married his wife, Fiona, in 1994 and they live in Locks Heath. Mark was born and brought up in the North East of England, where he attended a comprehensive school in Durham. He has an economics degree from the London School of Economics. After graduating he qualified as a Chartered Accountant, and went on to work for PricewaterhouseCoopers between 1985 and 2001. Mark has been the MP for Fareham since June 2001.
And so this is the message to Mr Osbourne: YOU TALK TRIPE AND ARE A LYING CRIMINAL! A poor excuse for a sentient being but you’re in good company!
Subject: RE: George Monbiot: The Guardian
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:05:39 +0000
I have just read that PATHETIC, TRANSPARENTLY, EVASIVE TRIPE!
Specific questions entirely evaded. If THIS hasn’t told you everything you need to know then you are IN ON IT!
Now I ask you what you intend doing about it?
> From: email@example.com
> To: Earthling
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:55:37 +0000
> Subject: RE: George Monbiot: The Guardian
> Dear Earthling
> Thank you for your email. I have read George Monbiot’s article. I agree he raises important points. I will pursue them with the Chancellor.
> With regard to your last point, I have now received a reply from one of George Osborne’s Ministers, and my office has sent it to you. You will see he only briefly responds to the points you raised. As always, I am willing to discuss these issues at my MP advice surgeries.
> Mark Lazarowicz
> From: Earthling
> Sent: 09 February 2011 21:19
> To: LAZAROWICZ, Mark
> Subject: George Monbiot: The Guardian
> Dear Mark,
> 48 years on this planet. 45 of them spent naive and too damned busy to notice. The last 3 however allowing one fairly intelligent guy, who had no interest in politics while he was too busy carving out a very nice living that stretched the planet, to rapidly bring himself up to speed on what EXACTLY is what.
> You perhaps, though I doubt it, have not had the opportunity (or perhaps even the interest) to look more closely at things and delve under a few “rocks”.
> Meanwhile, have you noticed how things have changed so dramatically in the UK in the last few decades while what I have been suggesting will come has not quite “hit the fan” here in the UK yet but is beginning to in Greece, Egypt, Ireland to an extent and given time…
> The IMF Mark and those who I have said own and control it. Legalised criminals. A cartel. A mafia. Mafias are always infighting too Mark but they group together when the mafia as a whole is under threat.
> Do you have any idea of why Vodafone gets let off with £6.5B in its taxes? Do you have any concept whatsoever as to how the Foundations work? Have you studied it at all? Do you recognise cozy little relationships like those between Vodafone Foundation and “Common Purpose” while “Big Society” is the “darling” of Cameron while it was grown through Common Purpose under YOUR government?
> Or are you an outright Marxist revolutionary who doesn’t understand, has no concept, of where it is leading and how it will impact your own offspring?
> ARE you naive Mark? ARE you ignorant of these things? In Politics all of this time?
> I’m sure you will know of Mr Monbiot of the Guardian – what you or I think of him is neither here nor there. Too many people get caught up in the dismissal game of “he’s a socialist” or “he’s an extreme right winger” – all the labels come out to play when demonising people who open cans of worms for inspection.
> I don’t “read” the man. I read the words and I check them. You’ll know by now where I’m coming from on all of this as I have brought issues to your attention so many times now I have lost count. Regarding when the sh** hits the fan however Mark: If I am ever asked the question “What did you do about it?” and “So you brought all this to your MP’s attention and he did what?” I will have to honestly answer “He did nothing”. What the outcome of that will be is unknown. I just feel that when the country DOES fully wake up, those of you who did nothing in the expectation nothing would change and you’d keep your cushy little positions, will be persona non grata. I would FAR rather be in a position to say, honestly “My MP gave it his best shot… A man with the utmost integrity”.
> Can I say that Mark? Could I honestly, in all conviction, even come close to saying that?
> Monbiot: tax-city-heist-of-century
> You never wished to be educated Mark. Such a sad reflection, yet an accurate one, on the arrogance of our political class.
> You serve criminals Mark and you continue to.
> “Cowardice asks the question, ‘Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ Vanity asks the question, ‘Is it popular?’ But, conscience asks the question, ‘Is it right?’ And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one’s conscience tells one that it is right.”
> Where is your DEMAND to George Osbourne’s office that he replies to the questions posed to him?
For more background to this please see: george-gideon-osbourne-keeps-refusing-to-answer
Now what I would like to know from any and all readers is this: What do you intend doing about this?